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Illegal immigrant entitled to workers' comp

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#1 ·
Not sure how I feel about this. I mean, the company probably paid premium on his wages, so he is due his compensation. But then there's the whole illegal thing to get past.

http://www.omaha.com/article/20130104/NEWS/701049915/1685#court-illegal-immigrant-entitled-to-workers-comp



LINCOLN — David Gutierrez was left physically unable to work after his foot was run over by a forklift on the job at Omaha's Quality Pork International packing house in August 2008.

Trouble is, he was not able, legally, to hold a job at the meat plant. Gutierrez was the false name assumed by illegal immigrant Ricardo Moyera when he used purchased documents to land the job in March 2007.

In a case that went to the Nebraska Supreme Court, Moyera's employers argued that they should not have to pay an estimated $2 million over the rest of the worker's life to cover his lost wages and medical costs.

On Friday, the Nebraska Supreme Court ruled that Moyera, despite being an illegal immigrant from Mexico, is entitled to workers' compensation payments through his employer for his on-the-job injury.

It was the first time the high court has held that illegal immigrants are protected by state workers' compensation laws. The decision adopted and expanded a similar ruling made by the midlevel Nebraska Court of Appeals in 2009.

Written by Judge William Connolly, Friday's opinion followed the lead of other courts across the country. Those courts have reasoned that excluding workers in the U.S.

illegally from disability benefits creates a financial incentive to hire illegal immigrants and gives scofflaw employers an advantage over competitors who follow the law.

“This is an issue that's been rumbling and rumbling for years,” said Moyera's attorney, Michael P. Dowd of Omaha. “This is the first time it's been pushed to the point where we're going to decide this issue.”

Dowd said an increasing number of his clients are Spanish-speaking immigrants — from Mexico as well as from Cuba, El Salvador, Guatemala and elsewhere. He said those workers often are vulnerable to serious injury because they take dangerous jobs others won't accept. Many, such as Moyera, speak no English.

No tax dollars were directly at stake in the case. Workers' compensation benefits are financed by employers, who are mandated by law to carry workers' compensation insurance. The system is intended to limit employers' liability while providing injured workers an avenue for quick resolution of their claims.

In fact, Dowd argued that the ruling could save taxpayer expense by requiring the company to foot the bill for Moyera's injuries instead of leaving him to seek indigent health care.

“This decision really protects the taxpayers by maintaining the burden and the cost on the employer, who is the one deriving benefits from the worker's labor,” he said.

The lawyer representing the company was out of the office and unavailable to comment Friday. Officials with the company also declined to comment.

Dowd said Moyera is married and the father of three children born in the United States.

The forklift accident, which occurred when he was 29, broke several bones in Moyera's foot and led to reflex sympathetic dystrophy, a painful nerve disorder. He also suffers severe back and hip pain and must use a cane to walk. A mutually agreed upon rehabilitation expert concluded that Moyera had lost 100 percent of his earning capacity as a result of the injury.

Moyera's approximate benefits would include $333.88 per week for lost wages during his remaining life expectancy, plus $987 per month for his pain medication and about $2,000 per year for other medical expenses, said Dowd, who estimated the total cost to the company at more than $2 million.

After the injury, the pork packinghouse assigned Moyera to a light-duty janitorial position that enabled him to elevate his foot when it swelled. But in May 2010, after the company's personnel manager audited employment files, Moyera was fired for lack of proper immigration documents.

Attorneys for the packing plant challenged a Workers' Compensation Court finding in Moyera's favor. They pointed to a 2005 Nebraska Supreme Court ruling that illegal immigrants are not entitled to vocational rehabilitation services because they are not employable in the United States.

The attorneys contended that benefits for a permanent loss of earning power also should depend on an employee's ability to obtain lawful employment. Moyera had no earning capacity to lose, they argued, because his lack of English and his immigration status would prevent him from getting a new job in this country.

The high court, however, made a distinction between vocational rehabilitation and disability compensation. Connolly wrote that vocational rehabilitation services, intended to help a worker move into a new career, are triggered when a workplace injury prevents an employee from returning to the same job or a similar one. If a worker's immigration status makes him ineligible to return to work, the Workers' Compensation Court cannot order retraining for a different career.

In contrast, the court said, disability benefits reflect that the work-related injury prevents the employee from working in the United States or elsewhere.

The court also noted that the language of state workers' compensation law says it applies to “aliens” without a specific requirement that immigrants be in the United States legally.

“We agree that the ordinary meaning of 'aliens' is broad enough to include both legal and illegal aliens, with or without work authorization,” Connolly wrote, endorsing the Court of Appeals' reasoning. “Moreover, if it was the intent of the Nebraska Legislature to exclude illegal aliens from the definition of covered employees or workers, it could have easily included a modifier doing so in the statute, but the Legislature did not, and has not, done so.”

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#127 ·
If you are ILLEGAL you should have ZERO RIGHTS!!!So sick of this BS!!Never felt so strongly till I moved from Boston to San Diego and saw how badly they effect the economy.I wish they would pull a truck up to home depot were they all wait to get pack them in and ship them out!But thats unfair to them...give me a f@#@in break.
 
#128 · (Edited)
Same song, different singer. I swear, it's disgusting to hear so many people complaining how the "Mexicans" are hurting our economy. That's a bunch of hooey. There are so many factors in why our economy hurts, and illegal labor is one of the least issues.

Maybe, just maybe, we should look within to figure out why things are so bad.
 
#136 ·
I see you live in Idaho...Not a whole lot of illegal workers there huh..Try going somewhere like southern california where job sites are about 70 percent or more mexican.You have no clue what you are talking about because you don't live where it affects anything!!!These guys drive the prices and pay rate down so low it's ridiculous.
 
#129 ·
How is the illegal labor not a major contribution? Maybe it is not a deciding factor overnight, but over the 25 years that we have allowed it to progress it has grown to this. Do you realize that insulators made more money for piecework back in the 1980's, from before I was born till I was 5, then they make now as a DIRECT result of this issue.

I am not saying there aren't other factors that are huge issues, but back in the 80's and 90's, you could break into the construction industry making a decent living. Now, upon entry level, you wouldn't even be able to swing your own 1 bedroom apartment. And unless your goal is to own and run your own profitable operation, or step into management at some point, you would find it extremely difficult to be successful in the long run.

You can turn a blind eye if you'd like, but the fact of the matter is that 90% of construction labor jobs are severely underpaid due to the amount of illegal labor. And not just from a year ago. This is something this country has let run wild for a quarter of a century now, and it is truly taking a toll on trades that serve the private sector, which is typically serviced by the middle class, the most important class when it comes to the rise and decline of the economy.

I know in this area now, they are also starting their own businesses. If nothing is done to remedy or to adjust the direction this road is taking us, we can talk again in about 7-10 years and see if you are effected when the undercut labor pricing starts to be on the contracts instead of in the business owners pockets.
 
#135 ·
Being in the insulation business, I can see how the immigration thing affects your line of work more-so than many others. HOWEVER, if not the illegals who were hired to start with, it would be someone else willing to do it for less money. If we somebody making "easy money" we want in, and before you know it, it's oversaturated.

The reason construction work is not as lucrative today as yesteryear is, supply and demand. Simply stated, every Tom, Dick, and Harry, has their own construction gig. Factor that in with materials that are easier to d.i.y., technology in which information is readily available to learn how to d.i.y., it's no wonder that we are fighting to stay afloat.

Still can survive, just not as lucrative. Want to make a lot of $, have a special skill and be ahead of the curve. Easier said than done...;)
 
#131 · (Edited)
If one goes to an ER with an injury suspected of having occurred during a commission of a crime, this usually gets used against them.

For example, if someone commits a robbery and victim shoots him and the criminal goes to the hospital, he gets sent to prison after he's stabilized.

If it's an illegal, the police needs to be waiting at the hospital and boot the bugger back to wherever he came form.

Then, you know, health care providers should be held accountable to report illlegals to USCIS punishable by revocation of 501c status just as they do to schools for not complying with non-racism rules.
 
#140 ·
The point is that it shouldnt b a factor. Its kind of ignorant to think somebody should need to pick up shop and transplant his life because of illegals.

And my business is doing fine. I just hate the double standard that see american taxpayers on the losing end of the spectrum. Injustice is injustice and if u attempt to argue that then you are ignoring the facts my friend
 
#146 ·
What I find in UNION town, The very unionworkers themselves that say: union union union, are the 1st to have the cheapest guy to do things they want done around their house. The name of the game is competition for work, it is better to position yourself better in SOME way than rather than finding scapegoats for the reason it didn't work for you.

Most people when they shop for goods are always looking for the best deal. If it wasn't so tell me how WalMart came to be the biggest retailer in the world, @ the same time there were high end places like Marshal Fields, Jacobsons, Hudsons, just to name a few. Even Sears and JC Penny traditional strongholds of the middle class are stuggling to survive under the weight of lower prices, better deals etc.

Things are changing, these very arguements being tossed around this post were going on @ the time of the European influx through Ellis Island. Just have to find a different approach.

Might be better to expand the business and hire some yourself. As long as they are legal. But even by this very story how can you really be sure?
 
#147 ·
Thats interesting. Here PA they are not entitled and want the w-9 up front at time of employment to check status not like they used to at year end. I used to have my comp with the state and they were very matter of fact with it. Don’t bother paying in to if they are not legal
They will not get paid in the event of an injury....period. few years ago they a huge financial loss with illegal workers filing claims and taking off back to mexico.

This whole illegal worker thing just stinks!
our labor force needs them because we are too good for those jobs or simply won't do them. They can't drive. Barley understand you. Show up reliable, work hard. and no drugs or ever complain. if there that determined to stay here they should join the military instant us citizen after the term. Take it further and get training gi bill, or retire from it.
The whole thing stinks:censored:
 
#162 ·
#167 · (Edited)
There are many things consumers are passionate about and are willing to pay extra for. For example, certified humanely raised poultry, fair trade coffee, sustainably produced products and so on.

Many people here strongly advocate for American made products. Now its time to advocate only hiring GCs who do not permit illegals and prohibit subs from bringing illegal alien employee on the project. GCs can help by adding illegal alien prohibition clause when soliciting for subs.

This is boiler plate language for a lot of government projects. Whats needed is appeasing to legal labor conscious population and popularize the inclusion of this into boilerplate language for residential and commercial projects.

"contractor attest that contractor shall not knowingly utilize the services of an illegal immigrant in the performance of this contract and shall not knowingly utilize the services of any subcontractor who will utilize the services of an illegal immigrant in the performance of this
contract"

Then, something like this shouldn't happen.
http://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/can-i-sue-a-contractor-for-having-an-illegal-alien-583052.html

popularizing E-verify among all new companies and gaining social acceptance could have a great impact on preventing further encroachment of illegal alien into work force. Once its common enough for smaller businesses, the contract can be tweaked to only hire subs who use e-verify.
 
#169 ·
Brother-n-law looses 7yr. business do to illegal

Not sure if its a fed. or certain states law. Apparently in Okla., my brother-n-law found out the hard way; upon a illegal shot self in eye with frame gun & turned into w/c. Not only did w/c drop him, fine him, fed. border patrol catches wind; an after days of investigation, paperwork, and even acquireing supposably legal SSC, visa, diver lic., only 2 of his 2 / 6 man crew was actually legal. Needless to say; after it was all said and done, and tens of thousands dollars fined per employee, state, fed., and w/c fees & fines. He files bankruptcy, sales off years of accumlated assets, including their property, home. Now; lives in old trailer house, farm hand, fighting to establish enough credit to provide 2 sons transportation, and funds for schooling & into college.
Mean while; within a few months 2 of his acquired visa permitted mexicans was able to get credit to purchase all his trucks, trailers, tools, equipment, plus some new equipment and my brother property and took over his long time client acct. W.T.F.:censored:
 
#174 ·
Not sure if its a fed. or certain states law. Apparently in Okla., my brother-n-law found out the hard way; upon a illegal shot self in eye with frame gun & turned into w/c. Not only did w/c drop him, fine him, fed. border patrol catches wind; an after days of investigation, paperwork, and even acquireing supposably legal SSC, visa, diver lic., only 2 of his 2 / 6 man crew was actually legal. Needless to say; after it was all said and done, and tens of thousands dollars fined per employee, state, fed., and w/c fees & fines. He files bankruptcy, sales off years of accumlated assets, including their property, home. Now; lives in old trailer house, farm hand, fighting to establish enough credit to provide 2 sons transportation, and funds for schooling & into college.
Mean while; within a few months 2 of his acquired visa permitted mexicans was able to get credit to purchase all his trucks, trailers, tools, equipment, plus some new equipment and my brother property and took over his long time client acct. W.T.F.:censored:
I don't get it, the employers provided "legal" documents and your brother-in-law still got ambushed? Something doesn't seem right. It's not our job to do a thorough investigation. If "Juan" gives a s.s. card with the other valid id's that are requested, your brother in-law followed the law. And, he should take this mess to court. Perhaps the drivers license or other id was expired? something doesn't make sense.

As for the credit thing, although it may be upsetting to you, nobody is entitled to a loan. Somebody chose to take on the risk, and it's none of (y)our business. I remember talking with a car dealer, and the conversation had to deal with Mexicans. He stated that generally speaking, Mexicans are very good with paying off their loans. Far more reliable than the white folks.

Wait, did you say that the visa immigrants bought his property, trucks and client list, after all this mess? This is starting to sound like quite the tall tale.
 
#173 ·
That all they know how to do. They think that we hired them to make more laws and if they don't we'd fire them. At this point I'm ready to fire each and every single one of them. Starting right at the very top