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This guy is illegal. He has NO rights here.

Why does he deserve anything? He doesn't. Other than a predetermined sentence in a cold prison followed by a seat on a government funded plane ride for him and his cane.

If we (citizens) break the law we go to jail and our children are without their parent, this should be no different.

I think this is all bullchit. He gave forged documents, that's illegal. He doesn't deserve to be here working or living in the first place.

No our system to get here legally isn't perfect but so what? You file and wait like your supposed to. Try a work visa.

Again, he has NO rights. He should get NOTHING.

NOTHING except a swift kick back to wherever he came. His country's issues are not OUR problem.

Hearing gross injustices like this really pisses me off
 
What would happen if I had a fake driver's license, fake license plates on my vehicle and a fake set of insurance documents AND I got into a car accident?

During the investigation, I would be the one in trouble whether I was at fault or not.
 
He is a dedicated family man that will go to any lengths to feed his family.

He is a criminal.
I choose the former.

I'm not pro illegal immigrant, but I blame our screwed up gov more than I do the man trying to better his life. Try imagining yourself being born to different circumstance & think of the lengths you would go to improve yours & your families lives. I know you would think of me as a criminal too.:mad:
 
I choose the former.

I'm not pro illegal immigrant, but I blame our screwed up gov more than I do the man trying to better his life. Try imagining yourself being born to different circumstance & think of the lengths you would go to improve yours & your families lives. I know you would think of me as a criminal too.:mad:
But you would do that all with the risk of going to jail, or being penalized financially. Nit be rewarded with financial stability for life.

There is an obvious difference whether people choose ti acknowledge it or not.
 
People always tend to think in terms of these outrageous financial awards as some one elses money.

It's not, its yours and my money, being ripped out of our hands by higher insurance rates, greater cost of doing business etc.

Once people start to realize this, the attitude will change. Till than we will have bleeding heart liberals with the massive giveaway attitude so prevelant in this country.

Maybe when he gets his check he'll qualify as one of the evil few in this country who make over 400k, and have to have BARACK redistibute it for him. 39% + state and local taxes and his attorney will get 1/3

Than he'll have to get his other foot run over.
 
But you would do that all with the risk of going to jail, or being penalized financially. Nit be rewarded with financial stability for life.

There is an obvious difference whether people choose ti acknowledge it or not.
I was addressing Leo's question, not the entire debate. I challenge all of you to ask yourself that question, what would you do for you & yours if you were born into a different set of circumstances beyond your control. It's easy to pass judgement from this side of the border. It's easy to take for granted all we have, while looking down our noses at those who were born to different circumstances.

I have huge respect for those working hard & making sacrifice to better their own lives. Hell, this country was founded on these very principles.
 
I was addressing Leo's question, not the entire debate. I challenge all of you to ask yourself that question, what would you do for you & yours if you were born into a different set of circumstances beyond your control. It's easy to pass judgement from this side of the border. It's easy to take for granted all we have, while looking down our noses at those who were born to different circumstances.

I have huge respect for those working hard & making sacrifice to better their own lives. Hell, this country was founded on these very principles.
That's all well and good and I have respect for those men and women as well...those men and women who do it LEGALLY.

Not the quick, easy, illegal way. That's why their called illegals in the first place.
 
Your missing the point about fraudelent papers the worker had.
If that is the point, more blame should be placed on the emloyer. As someone mentioned, the fact that the guy did not speak English, does raise a red flag.

Fact is the employer was aware of the immigration status, and false papers, but turned a blind eye. They have been known to throw the batos under the bus, and something should be done about that.
 
pinwheel said:
I was addressing Leo's question, not the entire debate. I challenge all of you to ask yourself that question, what would you do for you & yours if you were born into a different set of circumstances beyond your control. It's easy to pass judgement from this side of the border. It's easy to take for granted all we have, while looking down our noses at those who were born to different circumstances.

I have huge respect for those working hard & making sacrifice to better their own lives. Hell, this country was founded on these very principles.
It is easy to take for granted what we have. I believe we all do it daily. We can also have compassion for a man trying to feed his family. But he doesn't need to do it here, when he has his own country to work hard in. America is the land of opportunity, but it's not supposed to be the land of "feel sorry for everybody that sneaks in here". I agree that whatever surgeries he needed should have been paid by the company. That's their punishment for not digging deeper into their new hires. But now he needs to be deported. He is not our problem anymore. God knows we have enough legal citizens sucking on the govt tit, we don't need anymore illegals doing it too!
 
This dude is a human being first. He got hurt, on the job. He should never have been hired for legally. The WC was paid legally and there to aid the Human being in getting his ankle repaired. That is all right and correct, not even the dumbest idiots deserve to go through life with an injury like that, if there are means to 'help'. Wishing him harm-not so positive in my book, although understandable.

After that he's here illegally. He's been outed as being here illegally. By of all things, the legal profession (speak volumes of the inane nature of this aspect of the legal system) - DEPORT HIM
Yes, this is an interesting case. The most important thing is that he is a human.
 
I was addressing Leo's question, not the entire debate. I challenge all of you to ask yourself that question, what would you do for you & yours if you were born into a different set of circumstances beyond your control. It's easy to pass judgement from this side of the border. It's easy to take for granted all we have, while looking down our noses at those who were born to different circumstances.

I have huge respect for those working hard & making sacrifice to better their own lives. Hell, this country was founded on these very principles.
I wouldn't take on more than I could handle, like not having 3 kids if I can't support them... legally...

To those of you who feel "he's just supporting his family"... do you advocate robbing banks to "feed a family"? How about stealing YOUR tools so he can pawn them to "feed a family"?
 
I can tell you I know how hard it is to get a work visa here. My brother in law moved here from Scotland to marry my sister. They didn't follow the correct procedures when they did that and it was a huge pain in the ass for them. As well as it cost them a bunch of money. But he did it the right way and waited to get a work visa before getting a job. It took over a year. Then he took the first job he could, which was a real crappy low paying job. He worked hard and found a better job. Now he has had many raises and been offered a promotion. All done legally. It can be done. It's not easy, but it can without false documents.
 
I wouldn't take on more than I could handle, like not having 3 kids if I can't support them... legally...

To those of you who feel "he's just supporting his family"... do you advocate robbing banks to "feed a family"? How about stealing YOUR tools so he can pawn them to "feed a family"?
Exactly. Illegal is illegal.

He shouldn't get a dime. He needs to get thrown out of here by the collar.
 
I wouldn't take on more than I could handle, like not having 3 kids if I can't support them... legally...

To those of you who feel "he's just supporting his family"... do you advocate robbing banks to "feed a family"? How about stealing YOUR tools so he can pawn them to "feed a family"?
Going on the "legal" route is easier said than done. Like the bible, it's quite difficult to abide by all the rules. So, may he that is perfect, throw the first stone.
 
I choose the former.

I'm not pro illegal immigrant, but I blame our screwed up gov more than I do the man trying to better his life. Try imagining yourself being born to different circumstance & think of the lengths you would go to improve yours & your families lives. I know you would think of me as a criminal too.:mad:
So you choose to reward the criminals and persecute the law abiders.
 
I was addressing Leo's question, not the entire debate. I challenge all of you to ask yourself that question, what would you do for you & yours if you were born into a different set of circumstances beyond your control. It's easy to pass judgement from this side of the border. It's easy to take for granted all we have, while looking down our noses at those who were born to different circumstances.

I have huge respect for those working hard & making sacrifice to better their own lives. Hell, this country was founded on these very principles.
I would likely do what he did. But then when I got caught I would be considered a criminal and I would know that.
 
If that is the point, more blame should be placed on the emloyer. As someone mentioned, the fact that the guy did not speak English, does raise a red flag.

Fact is the employer was aware of the immigration status, and false papers, but turned a blind eye. They have been known to throw the batos under the bus, and something should be done about that.
A that point it pretty much comes down to the law. If he has his (illegal) papers and they check out through the system then what are you gonna do. It makes him legal. And if you don't hire him based on you thinking he is illegal yet he has his papers then you are in violation of discrimination.
 
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