My Dad, who was never unemployed a day in his life, took unemployment the day he retired (he did an employee buyout for his company), and collected it for the full eligible term. He certainly didn't need the money (I think he bought lotto tickets with it). We gave him a ration of crap about it, but I can only imagine how much he had paid in.

A friend of mine from Minnesota told me that in the iron mines everyone took it for the winter when the mines laid off for the season as a matter of course.

 

I wouldn't I get max on unemployment. Which is about what a guy make at 20 hour.

The unemployment rate has risen in last few months. while on unemployment one does not have to take a job at less than what they made before they were laid off.
With illegals working for lower wages it's probably hard to get a decent paying job.

Plus you know how it is. You call the ad in the paper state what you want for a wage and the cheezeball say well what about starting at such and such wage usually a buck or two less than what you want.

 

Guys that are union don't have a lot of choice, if they get caught side jobbing they get thrown out of the union.

 

woah - about to blow a cork here reading that ...

I don't mind Tscar's father going on it - as an elderly person.

Or even someone who is perhaps very disable (i.e. in a car accident). I can put up with that, and be sympathetic.



However, do not ANY of you sit there at your computers and tell me how a grown man cannot get work when he is PHYSICALLY able to do so.


it is laziness. it is sloth. it is PATHETIC.

 

So the union can't find them work, but throws them out for feeding their family? Sounds like a good deal to me.

 

It is great deal because while on unemployment we still get our medical/dental and vision with no out of pocket expense. Plus a weekly unemployment check.

Plus any one in the trades should know to save money for winter.

 

He ain't "elderly" Dirt, just retired, and damn sure doesn't need the money.

 

What bugs me is the companies that lay off in the winter, and plan for it, and do it every year. I mean I can see if you do truly seasonal work, like maybe lawn sprinklers etc. But roofers and siders that slow down in the winter. I try very hard to make sure that my two guys, plus my subs have stuff to do if we get slow. Even if its painting the inside of my house or cleaning out the garage.

 

Anyone should know to save, in the trades or not. Using UI to screw the taxpayer is not a thing to be proud of, and is certainly not something endears unions to me. The unions should pay the unemployment for their memebers, if you ask me.

 

Speaking as a construction brat who lived all over the United States from Florida to Alaska, I would say that if there is no work: Move to where there is. Or sit on your ass, watch Gilligan's Island reruns on TV in your underwear, and collect your UI and Union benefits.

I know which one garners my respect.

 

Yes I will up root my family because I am laid off for a couple of weeks. If you didn't know the WA economy is the best in the nation right now. We create our own. :laughing:

 

wait just a darn minute here

[some of you all] mean to tell me THIS is how you "survive"

??


you sit on your asses all winter long on unemployment - just cuz there's no work until spring???


and you call that a living??

what's wrong with just up and going into a whole new industry? If all you're doing is fighting tooth and nail for every job you get and then having to go on unemployment during slow times - don't you think that juuuust maybe you need to find a better job?

Or a different industry even??

 

My dad got on unemployment when he retired too, he got 50% of what his pay was.

What really burns me is now my 17 year old sister gets $500 a month from the government because my dad is unemployed. WTF is that all about? $500 a month is alot of cash for having 0 bills to pay.

Unemployment really doesnt bother me to much, working in rentals I see alot of people with nothing wrong on dissability for the rest of their lives. And they get anywhere from $600 a month to $2500 a month if they have kids.

When I worked at the bus garage all the bus drivers get on it when summer vacation comes.

 

Because he doesn't have to. The Union and UI encourage him to watch the Beverly Hillbillys marathon instead of working.

 

That is a BS lie the Union reports UI fraud on it's own guys. They have a open call at 7-9 am and 3-4 pm M-F and a out of work list.

I can tell you it's non union contractors that pull w/c/1099 fraud daily. I can show you the state records of the nu companies I used to work for. But I won't because that is inviting litigation that I don't have time to prove as they already owe the state for screwy accounting.

 

Popcorn in one hand and O'douls in the other, this is getting good.

 

I will add this too


you think that the biggest problems facing this country involve illegal immigrants???



No


The problem is that the government has programs that reward and encourage failure


That is the problem. Because it spawns a certain mentality and attitude that it is "ok" to fail.


This is your country's problem ...

 

Check this out....


You have been pissed at your employer for some time. He pays you straight pay and 1099's you at the end of the year, like your really subcontract labor.

Quit him, but make sure it is in October or November. Then go file unemployment!!!

Then sit back and watch the chaos!!! The sheet will hit the fan!!!:clap:

 

wtf?

why do i get the feeling all of a sudden that the majority of you guys are really not business owners

 

Because 1099 and w/c fraud hurt us all.

 

a level playing field??

I'm sitting here right now trying to line up more work to be able to get out of the winter slow down. I'm trying to figure out how I can make it through the month of February ... and I'm trying to figure out things so that next winter (and winters to come) I won't HAVE to worry about "how to" make it through the month of February.

I'm figuring out ways I can maybe cut my own grocery budget down. Or lower any other kinds of living expenses. Trying to eliminate areas where maybe I might be wasting money.

Meanwhile, there's people out there that simply are just not worried about stuff like that. They can just up and go on unemployment, or welfare. They don't have to be worried about it, and from what I understand - they're encouraging NOT to worry about it.

Is that a level playing field??

going on unemployment is NOT an option for me. Ever.


I'll starve myself before I do that. I would. I would go without food. And if I got hungry enough - then I would go get a job. If that wasn't enough, I'd get a THIRD job.

Frankly, if things got that drastic, I'd have a "sit-down" with myself and maybe consider getting into a field/industry/career that I could provide myself an independent living.

But unemployment would not even cross my mind.




I don't expect you to understand this - like I said, you and I evidently think a lot differently. But that's just the way I think.

Really I don't care. Like I said before I have a family. I am not going to let my family starve because some guy thinks I shouldn't take UI. Then again I work for companies that make millions on one job. If I and the rest guys/gals have worked yourselves out of a job then we did what we were supposed to do.
Just because we are laid off that doesn't mean that we can't be hired back when they start another big job.

Let me remind you this again a bigger job than you will ever be able to bid because you are still in little pond of construction work. :laughing:

You can keep running your lip but I won't be around much as I am working on a 7 story pt deck structure. Oh btw and pt doesn't stand for pressure treated kid.

I guess now you will be bitching that they have to pay me OT on anything over 8 hours a day. :laughing:

Now get back to your walmart budget.

 

Really I don't care. Like I said before I have a family. I am not going to let my family starve because some guy thinks I shouldn't take UI. Then again I work for companies that make millions on one job. If I and the rest guys/gals have worked yourselves out of a job then we did what we were supposed to do.
Just because we are laid off that doesn't mean that we can't be hired back when they start another big job.

Let me remind you this again a bigger job than you will ever be able to bid because you are still in little pond of construction work. :laughing:

You can keep running your lip but I won't be around much as I am working on a 7 story pt deck structure. Oh btw and pt doesn't stand for pressure treated kid.

I guess now you will be bitching that they have to pay me OT on anything over 8 hours a day. :laughing:

Now get back to your walmart budget.

that's right ... turn an otherwise compelling debate into a pissing contest

:whistling


you know i am far too witty to be caught up in one of those

 

Their bosses told them they were business owners.

Show of hands... How many contractors here, do not have a tax payer I.D., but use their SS#:w00t:

The unemployment commission here, will pay for training(not college), if you choose a career change, because no work is available in your existing career.

 

Dirt

I got your back bro.....I was raised..."Work til you die." And the school of "No free ride."

So get smart, find something to do that you enjoy, be the best at it, and do it every day. Oh, and be an optimist.

People and contracts tend to gravitate to confident, bold, positive, successful people.

Ain't life grand!:thumbup: Have fun!

 

Mr Diggler, If I am correct the business owners can not claim UI.....so if you assume that this site is all business owners then this thread would not have a purpose.

 

The way it was explained to me, was the last person to write you a check, was your last employer, even if you were your own business.

 

I have one last thing to add and that will be it from me on this subject.

If the business owner doesn't have enough respect for his former employee/s to call them some type of scum to claim UI while searching for a new job (that pays the wages to support his family) because that BO can't find the work to keep his guys employed then that BO is really the one that is the failure.

 

I was under the impression "unemployment" was an insurance policy - so to speak..it is called State Unemployment Insurance.

http://workforcesecurity.doleta.gov/unemploy/uifactsheet.asp


I never viewed it as some sort of gov't program that just gave folks money.

Maybe this program:
Trade Readjustment Allowances
Federal program for workers unemployed because of U.S. trade policies

..but basic SUI?
I thought it was insurance to tide a man over until he could be gainfully employed again.

 

Some one get's gold star.

 

In my opinion UNIONS are like mom and dad, always there to bail you out if you come up short sometime. I se myself sort of like FORREST GUMP, I've always been different, don't like playing by someone elses rules, thats why I am unemployable, thats why I'm a buisness owner.:w00t:

 

Unemployment is an insurance and can be used according to the rules.

If a guy pays into health insurance and wants to see a doctor over a broken toenail why would I care??

No unemployment insurance for me either because i'm generally unemployed.

 

I must admit I am surprised at Dirt's vehemence. It's a long time since I had to claim unemployment benefit which is what they used to call it over here (now it's called 'Jobseeker's Allowance') but when I needed it I took it. Where did the government get the money to pay for it from? Me.

There will always be people who abuse systems but it does seem a bit over the top to assume that everybody who is on unemployment is worthy of the way Dirt thinks of them.

John

 

I must admit I am surprised at Dirt's vehemence. .

John

You're going to have to allow me some time to look that word up before i can respond

 

Dirt, are you still young like 20-30+ guy and still SINGLE? Because older/married men like 40-50-60+ always think about life/work security, life/work guarantees, retiring, family security (wife/children had foods on table to eat), vacations, and so on, etc,... They all getting tired of all those years working like a horse, taking a strenous, mucho mental/physical on the aging bodies & brains for so long years, they don't have much energy left like young guys in the 20 or 30s anymore....

Anyway, I respect your opinion & honest intention/wish, and I do understand all you just said, and No, I am not unemployed so don't worry about it either.... :thumbsup: