Anyone working for me is paid hourly, if they offer their own materials that i do not have then we make an agreement of payment before it is used. If someone uses their own without asking i most often replace what they used with the same material or an agreed payment. I most often choose not to use their materials unless i have no choice or it is free. Too much hassle of who's is who's and what it is worth.

 

I don't know exactly how it works in the siding world but this guy is a siding salesman/supplier. He supplies and the sub installs. He's not a GC, he sells supply and install to homeowners and GC's. And they most certainly are a team. Many of the siders i know work 95% for one supplier

As a sub I can understand where both sides are concerned. Sometimes I'm just itching to install and make money but little things are holding me back. At these times I want to charge. other times a GC I do a lot of work for won't have the house wrap up. It's there but I put it up at the same time I'm putting up flashing. Probably adds 15mins to my day. i think it would be ridiculous to charge for that. If that happened on every job though I'd be adding it into my sqft price.

My suggestion. Tell the guy to add $50 to every bill and don't put it on the invoice or call it misc. he gets his money, sometimes more sometimes less, and you don't have to see these little charges.

 

I sub alot. Post #12 by Complete is the way we do business. I don't mind supplying some material-at times. It save you and me both. Me in time wasted and you in time completed. A few bucks, I don't mind. But hey, my bottom line is as important as yours. Is it better to have an installer that completes the job and with great craftsmanship or do you want a guy stopping because you didn't supply enough material. You look better when he completes the work in a timely manner.

Perhaps you should ask him to supply an estimate of materials to see who is closer to reality.

 

Easiest way to avoid being billed for the nickels and dimes is to spend them yourself. If you think he is penny pinching for wanting to get paid for using his material, stop penny pinching yourself and make sure adequate supplies are on the job. Just make sure to inform him that if he removes your leftover material from the job, he will be charged accordingly, possibly criminally.......or you could just pay him for his material.

 

If he just does the work and you supply materials..on you.

If he is subcontracting with you, and the conditions on contract are that he supplies materials and labor..on him


Kind of seems like you think people owe you something because you give them work. But they are making you money(hopefully anyway). Things happen in this business, its on the owner/contractor to account for them. Me, id reimburse..guy gets the job done, does good work. You are really just nickle and diming yourself. Easy fix-Put more in the bid, just assume you need an extra 20 or 30. Win win. Quit whining about it.

Guy that you can rely on, does the work right..thats worth something. You have a relationship with your employees just as you do your clients. Sometimes in life the small things you do to keep fair are remembered by those when YOU are in a time of need. Just some small advice, .02.

 

I am on the side of the people who think $25 is cheap and it would cost you much more than that to deal with the improperly stocked jobs. You should give him $50 next time and thank him for giving a chit because most guys would just call you and make it your problem.

Tom, thats what he said..

 

yea..thanks

 

So no answer on if they are an employee or a sub...I say it's a Home Owner bitchin bout nickels and dimes...

 

WW, how would you feel if on every job, your supplier just shorted your order a box of nails, or a roll of paper, or some ridge vent, or whatever they happened to miss on the order- and expected you to go buy it and add it to their delivery? On your dollar, of course.

After all they're a great supplier, and they provide superior materials. And they do give you excellent pricing on all the rest of your materials. And they're very dependable - your materials always show up to the customer location on time..... And remember, supplying those missed things on "your dime" just makes you a valuable part of the "team" in THEIR eyes!

......Bet your perspective of nickels, dimes & teams would be significantly different. Really fast. I also bet it wouldn't take you 8 years to realize the way they were jerking your chain, all the while yapping about what an awesome supplier they were!

1.) Pay the man.

2.) Quit whining. There are things that actually deserve your attention. THIS is NOT one of them.

3.) Re-evaluate how highly you think of yourself. You are not Mr Wonderful. You are not the ultimate guy to work for, no matter how much you pay or work you offer. You just showed your true colors with this little stink bomb. Learn from it & try to BECOME the ultimate guy to work for......

Best wishes in resolving things.

And answer that pesky thing of sub vs employee, will 'ya?......

 

And answer that pesky thing of sub vs employee, will 'ya?......

:whistling:whistling:whistling:whistling:whistling:whistling

 

As a rule, someone bitching about nickels and dimes is the same guy who is pinching them.

 

Learn how to supply your job with materials and your problems are all over:thumbup: Just think No problems:whistling

 

Probably doen't know the answer. I bet both. hourly pay and 1099'ed,no bennies.

 

DING,DING,DING,DING!!!!!!!! WE HAVE A WINNER!

my opinion also

 

Personally I would not expect any of my guys to provide their own materials.

 

I told all my guys they better bring their own materials for the job on Monday. Hope they show up!

 

I would make them buy my lunch also

 

This is the perfect thread to illustrate that "You can lead a horse to water..."

 

DING,DING,DING,DING!!!!!!!! WE HAVE A WINNER!

my opinion also

The subject of the thread and the lack of an answer makes this pretty clear.. Hopefully the guy wont let himself be screwed any more than he already is and will walk when he doesn't get paid for that next box of nails.. And hopefully the op will learn something about treating people fairly and pay the next guy, after the hassle of finding someone of the same quality to replace him

 

no, no welterweight is legit,just a little grumpy lately?:whistling

 

 

Sounds like your a TEAM nazi. Just don't see the term team, working in this situation. Did you see the rotten sill? Did you have in your bid to fix a rotten sill or did he bid the job? I don't see how there should be a term nickel and diming anyway,especially if it is legit. So many Questions

 

:blink:hey easy with the nazi stuff

the op operates a legitimate business,you would know that if you been here a few years

i suggest we ease up a tad:drink:

 

:blink:hey easy with the nazi stuff

the op operates a legitimate business,you would know that if you been here a few years

i suggest we ease up a tad:drink:[/QUOT

I think he subbed out the job to Struble.

 

Lay it all out…..

How much did you pay him for the last job?
How much did you make off that job?
How much money did he make per day?
Did he need supervision from your employees?
Does he have a license and insurance?

 

Ok maybe not nazi. But the team thing ,really. Does it really matter how many years you Know someone on the internet, I don't think you really know him, unless he did sub that job to you.:shifty: :laughing:

 

nails are expensive!

 

i just said ease up..we don't have to stop:blink:


HEY CHEAPO STOP BEING SO CHEAP...:laughing::clap:

 

You'll only be getting paid for 3/4 of that next roll of flashing. :laughing: