[John Hyatt]

Hmmmmmm, your right. Im good with that. J.

 

[loneframer]

Hmmmmmm, your right. Im good with that. J.

:thumbsup:

 

[Donnie631]

loneframer, I never once asked for any opinions about doing the work or not. I asked for information to do it properly. I have used membranes MANY times in YOUR neck of the woods of South Jersey, since I AM a jersey boy myself. I have spent much of my time building competely custom kitchen and baths, INCLUDING custom showers for many years. A lot of my work is in Alluvium and Alluvium woods of Voorhees, as well as a lot of Marlton and Mt Laurel area, Im sure that you have heard of these places, as I was based out of voorhees. I left because the economy is crap there with corzine, and my wife was offered a job in florida, to me it was the perfect time to bail on new jersey and those ridiculous property taxes. Never have I advertised for anything for my work, it has been word of mouth since I had a reputation built because I worked for a slacker way back when. Waterproofing this deck ain't rocket science, don't give yourself that much credit for being a dick about it. It's no big deal. Like I have stated, I was looking for some good input on what material would be best suited for the waterproofing. Obviously your opinions fell short, and you still keep going. My assumption is that you seem to have a problem with a new forum member trying to get some guidance in new territory. I would surely hope that you dont treat your clients in the same manner, i thought your mama woulda taught you better than to talk down to others. And I am glad that you are on your job 100% of the time, yay for you. Actually that is surprising in jersey. But, if you reread my post, instead of making it about you and your little business, you would understand that I actually felt bad about a previous post and my line about the small stuff referred to that. You should take a moment and think about how small you really are in this world, it ain't about you.

 

[Donnie631]

I would only recommend two solutions. One is a fiberglass mat/resin application similar to what is used on boat hulls. Two is a polyurea/polyurethane coating very similar to a spray on bedliner.
The fiberglass mat/resin system has been in use in my area for roughly twenty years. The surface should be gel coated every few years as routine maintanance. The downside is that it is very ridgid and I have seen the underlayment expand and tear the mat, usually at the seams of the underlayment. This generally happens when the underside of the deck is not vented properly and a moisture problem results.
The polyurea/polyurethane system also needs to be coated with a topcoat with a UV inhibitor, but it remains flexible and is very hard to damage. The downside to this product is that the product is very dependant upon surface prep, and will not properly bond if there is moisture present, or if the surface is dirty/dusty.
I have seen very good results with both products and they are similar in appearance when finished. Both are available in a rainbow of colors and can have additives in the topcoats to aid in skid resistance.:thumbsup:

You actually gave a good idea here, I looked into poly, gave my buddy the idea and he said the prices were too high. I have done FG decks in Ocean City, NJ, but he was afraid of the possible high, hurricane force winds here.

At a budget of $1000, I don't think you can pull the old carpet and prep the surface properly, let alone give him a finished product that will last a year. Hell at 600 sq. ft., thats $1.67 sq. ft. I personally wouldn't do that job under any circumstances. You'll be hard pressed to put down a walkable deck surface for 3 times that money. Then the carpet guy is gonna slash through your flashing with a carpet knife anyway.

Negative, never asked for it, didnt post a stupid question, but I got your response, even with an angry face... lame

I got the point right from your original post, but why would you try the impossible at the expense of a friendship?

Why would you make assumptions because your just a bit selfish and not willing to help a friend in need, again, lame.

In response to your comment., I believe anyone who would sell an EPDM deck as a walkable deck surface should be careful about who he claims is ripping off a customer. I'm not going to bother looking back through the thread, but it seams to me there is also sheetrock damage that needs to be addressed, as well as carpeting, so that surely should be included in your material costs. Are you priming over the aluminum roof coating, or laying down new underlayment?:whistling

Funny, the supplier and the manufacturer both said that as long as their was a covering that wouldn't allow direct damage, that it would be fine, in fact if it were not to be covered, that I should use a different makeup to have a white membrane because the epdm in direct sunlight shrinks over time, The allotted amount is for waterproofing, i dont do carpet at all, it is up to brian to have a carpet guy out, to handle any sort of barrier before installing berber outdoor carpet. Yet you werent being an a$$ h0le in that post either? What did you think? I was gonna throw new materials over old rotted crap? stupid way to think ain't it? I know I'm a professional, with accreditation to prove it, you?

You have been quick to judge everyones replies on this thread, but you have to understand that we ARE professionals and are looking at this situation as such. You can do a Craigs List contractor repair to this if you so choose, that is neither here nor there as far as I'm concerned.
However, I am familiar with homes built on poles, pilings, stilts, sticks or whatever else you may choose to call them. I am also familiar with the fire codes that are enforced in my experience with parking under a building. Double 5/8" Type X is what we are required to install in such an application. You can do whatever you want, but if it was my friend in the same situation, I would have the best interests of his family and their safety in mind, not meeting an unrealistic budget.
If that is what you consider taking advantage and overcharging, you are not unlike any other homeowner looking for a good deal.:furious:

Again, just you blabbering to hear yourself. Im not interested in your own personal opinions, every body has an opinion, I deal in facts. And yet another retarted little smiley, oh, you must be mad, stupid.

You are a cunning linguist and a master debater, but it doesn't change the fact that you are putting lipstick on a pig. All the education in the world doesn't supercede practical experience and common knowledge of a trade. I have spent the last 25 years furthering my education in the fields that I profess in.
There is a market for every skill level and pricepoint in this business. You cater to yours and I'll cater to mine. May our paths never cross in the future.:thumbsup:

every skill level and pricepoint? why? because I am helping a friend? another stupid comment about you making my thread about you. However in Jersey, I did cater to a moderate client base, hope you can reach that level some day. another gay smiley, stupid.

Ironicly, the fact that I do sweat the small stuff is the reason that 100% of my work for the last 8 years has been for repeat customers. They hire me because they know it is me who will be on the job, 100% of the time, doing what I do best. They know I will put forth my absolute best effort, all the time. I haven't missed a days work due to lack of work since I started my own business in 1994.
I hear where you are coming from with that statement, but I will respectfully decline your advice and continue to sweat the small stuff incessantly until I draw my last breath. It's who I am and I'm okay with it.:thumbup:

blah blah blah, you sound like a hack trying to sell yourself to a client in Camden.

JonMon, I just read through the thread and am having a hard time finding a post of anyone giving this guy a hard time. He asked for a professional opinion and that is what he got.
Nobody was hazing him, or trying to give false or misleading information. I personally believe that what he is preparing to do is not giving his friend value for the dollar. I understand cheap is cheap, so if that is the goal, strip the deck back down to the treated decking, lose the makeshift enclosure and save the thousand dollars to do the job correctly somewhere down the road. Everybody wins.:clap:

I didn't expect anything less from you, blah blah, as usual, your opinion, which is just your attempt at sarcasm, I would hope, because if not, you really are an idiot. you should take that education of yours and cash it in on a snickers bar, it'll be more satisfying.

:thumbsup:

Just reread your previous posts that I have neatly organized for you and noted all of your posts accordingly, I know it must be hard to read and sound out the words over 3 pages of text. Especially when I use a lot of big words, just sound out the letters. You'll get it all, eventually.

 

[John Hyatt]

Now Im sorry I ever tried to defend this guy,:thumbdown J.

 

[Donnie631]

Now Im sorry I ever tried to defend this guy,:thumbdown J.

All I wanted john, was good information. This guy has done nothing but insert his negativity in this thread. I quoted every post he made. nothing but negative bs, besides the first thread. If you reread the thread, I am just tired of repeating myself and defending myself to someone called "loneframer" from jersey, simply because he feels that the project will fail because he isn't doing it. In all reality he's probably a typical white trash hack from gloucester city or deptford, and he's pissed bacause he can't feed his addictions.

I just made an assumption, kind of like the assumptions he has made about me in this thread.

Like I stated before, Im just a guy trying to help a friend, and if I lern something new in the process, great. It's sad that his lack of desire to just lend a helping hand has turned this into such an entertaining thread for everyone.

 

[jtpro]

WOW I guess we agree to disagree.

I didn't see LF get "pissy" until others did.

If you follow his posts he's usually the level headed guy.

Wait 'til some of the real sharks sniff out this post!

Do what you want with this advice:

Your not here to make freinds but to get advice right?

Well with a chip on your shoulder and a small post count you'll get your threads jacked by the wolves and accomplish nothing.

To each their own though.

 

[bwalley]

All I wanted john, was good information. This guy has done nothing but insert his negativity in this thread. I quoted every post he made. nothing but negative bs, besides the first thread. If you reread the thread, I am just tired of repeating myself and defending myself to someone called "loneframer" from jersey, simply because he feels that the project will fail because he isn't doing it. In all reality he's probably a typical white trash hack from gloucester city or deptford, and he's pissed bacause he can't feed his addictions.

I just made an assumption, kind of like the assumptions he has made about me in this thread.

Like I stated before, Im just a guy trying to help a friend, and if I lern something new in the process, great. It's sad that his lack of desire to just lend a helping hand has turned this into such an entertaining thread for everyone.

The guy tried to help you avoid doing a hack job for your friend, yet you didn't want take advice from a professional when you asked for it, so why bother asking for it?

I suggest you get your panties unbunched and tell your friend to hire a contractor who knows what they are doing, as a professional does not need to go on a website asking how to do a job.

 

[neolitic]

..........you'll get your threads jacked by the wolves and accomplish nothing. .......

We resent that remark.

 

[WarriorWithWood]

Just reread your previous posts that I have neatly organized for you and noted all of your posts accordingly, I know it must be hard to read and sound out the words over 3 pages of text. Especially when I use a lot of big words, just sound out the letters. You'll get it all, eventually.

This says it all.

 

[WarriorWithWood]

I'm sure he'll attack me now, I'll just reciprocate early with this.:whistling

 

[jtpro]

We resent that remark.

Resent or resemble?

I'm probably one of those guys who has to sound out letters too!:laughing:

 

[kevjob]

man I just made it before the

 

[kevjob]

well another...

 

[Donnie631]

This says it all.

thats funny.

 

[Donnie631]

well another...

I sure hope it doesn't look like that in the end, it might, who knows, it's a learning experience.:thumbup:

 

[Donnie631]

I'm sure he'll attack me now, I'll just reciprocate early with this.:whistling

sorry dennis, the first was funny, the second was lame.. good effort though.


and neolitic, you listen to XM radio? Lil Jimmy Norton says Curmudgeon all the time.

I have no problems with you guys.

 

[ScipioAfricanus]

Removed Remark

That was uncalled for.

Andy.

 

[bwalley]

sorry dennis, the first was funny, the second was lame.. good effort though.


and neolitic, you listen to XM radio? Lil Jimmy Norton says Curmudgeon all the time.

I have no problems with you guys. REMOVED REMARK

He tried to help you with advice not to hack your friends house and this is the way you return the favor???

You are obviously some kind of half assed hack if you have to come on here and ask for advice on how to do a relatively simple job, and you are too stupid to realize when you are given good advice.

BTW What kind of contractors license if any do you have?

 

[Donnie631]

He tried to help you with advice not to hack your friends house and this is the way you return the favor???

You are obviously some kind of half assed hack if you have to come on here and ask for advice on how to do a relatively simple job, and you are too stupid to realize when you are given good advice.

BTW What kind of contractors license if any do you have?

he helped in the first post, good info, said it already. dont make assumptions, it just leads to more comments. The job is quite simple, so I dont understand the problem with loneframer. Like I have said, it ain't rocket science.

I am a new jersey contractor, a nebraska residential contractor, and since I have just relocated to florida, I have local HM license in multiple counties, Window, door, siding licenses as well, and will be testing for residential contractor in the fall in tallahassee, if you must know.