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Enough to park a plant next to theirs and ship trucks directly over. I didn't get the impression they were in bed other than proximity. It does seem like GM is into the idea to make it so easy for VIA to get them. I'm speculating...
 

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I would think if this is a lucrative thing, GM would be doing it themselves. Companies don't usually allow someone to use their brand to make money on, unless they are receiving a piece of the pie.
 

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a pickup at 100mpg?! how could it not be lucrative. i think this illustrates where motor companies are failing. if this can be done why isn't it? sounds like some of the trucks are going to canada also so we'll see really fast if they can fly in the real world.

i just don't believe that gm actually wants 100mpg out of a truck to make it happen, thats why 3rd parties will have to do it.
 

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Oil companies are in bed with auto makers. That's why avg mpg hasn't improved much over the years.
 

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the trucks i posted are proof. right? even if they only run problem free for a few years they're worth it.
Actually Duburban, I would be interested in that truck, but it would have to meet this criteria:

1. It isn't so over priced that it makes more sense just to buy gas.
2. It's powerful enough to meet most construction needs.
3. It runs long enough to get me through the day without recharging or stressing about recharging.
4. If something goes wrong it doesn't cost a left nut to fix.
5. The batteries are not going to have to be replaced within the time I own it. Say 6 or 7 years.

If could meet these demands, which are reasonable, then I definitely would buy one.
 

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anyone know how much they spend on gas a year? or average weekly? I'm probably somewhere just under $5000 a year and thats with my working close to home and now back in school which is only 13 miles away. I could easily see some spending twice that.
 

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Oil companies are in bed with auto makers. That's why avg mpg hasn't improved much over the years.
uhh, what?


What benefit could possibly be had by having a low mpg truck.

That rumor is old and wrong.

-Next year, dodge is releasing a diesel in their half ton trucks.

-Ford is dominating the half ton market with the ecoboost.

-A huge majority of the 3/4 1 ton trucks have been diesel in the past because of the fuel mileage. (not as much anymore, because the benefit is shrinking)


I think that I have a similar stance as most truck consumers here, I will buy the truck that costs me the least amount to own and operate.
 

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As to the economics of electric vehicals, has anyone seen a good comparative cost breakdown of operating gas/diesel verse electric.

It must be good, I just have not seen the NET figures.

Electricity to charge plus battery life/replacement costs would seem to be the major costs verse gas..... perhaps repair, and longevity, initial cost, should be factored in also.

Looked at alternatively, where are the major cost saving being derived.

Is electricity per unit of energy less expensive than gas?

Is an electrical drive more efficient than a gas engine.

Just curious...

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Now I understand there may be environmental concerns also, but basically I do not understand where the major/expected operating cost benefits are coming from.
 

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As to the economics of electric vehicals, has anyone seen a good comparative cost breakdown of operating gas/diesel verse electric.

It must be good, I just have not seen the NET figures.

Electricity to charge plus battery life/replacement costs would seem to be the major costs verse gas..... perhaps repair, and longevity, initial cost, should be factored in also.

Looked at alternatively, where are the major cost saving being derived.

Is electricity per unit of energy less expensive than gas?

Is an electrical drive more efficient than a gas engine.

Just curious...

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Peter

Now I understand there may be environmental concerns also, but basically I do not understand where the major/expected operating cost benefits are coming from.
I wonder if these truck will be required to report their mileage to the gov so they can be charged road tax.

Good question Randy..... and part of any operating savings could be in avoiding the gas taxes????
 

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MTN REMODEL LLC said:
As to the economics of electric vehicals, has anyone seen a good comparative cost breakdown of operating gas/diesel verse electric.

It must be good, I just have not seen the NET figures.

Electricity to charge plus battery life/replacement costs would seem to be the major costs verse gas..... perhaps repair, and longevity, initial cost, should be factored in also.

Looked at alternatively, where are the major cost saving being derived.

Is electricity per unit of energy less expensive than gas?

Is an electrical drive more efficient than a gas engine.

Just curious...

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Peter

Now I understand there may be environmental concerns also, but basically I do not understand where the major/expected operating cost benefits are coming from.
My wife's friend bought a electric vehicle. 3 years old and battery out of warranty. $6k to replace. She later found out people were selling them right as the warranty on battery's run out as they didnt last much longer. she traded the vehicle in for a stupidly low price a few weeks after she bought it.

I doubt the battery technology is good enough yet for electric vehicles. they need to make them last longer first off. once they double the capacity and lifespan and half the charge times I'm in one.
 

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My wife's friend bought a electric vehicle. 3 years old and battery out of warranty. $6k to replace. She later found out people were selling them right as the warranty on battery's run out as they didnt last much longer. she traded the vehicle in for a stupidly low price a few weeks after she bought it.

I doubt the battery technology is good enough yet for electric vehicles. they need to make them last longer first off. once they double the capacity and lifespan and half the charge times I'm in one.
BC... Exactly what I don't understand..... Are we all being sold a bill of goods with regard to operating costs??????

If you were to translate just batterry replacement into equivalent gas prices.....

Assuming her average mileage/year at 12000, for three years at 36000.

$6000 battery replacement for 36000 miles equals $.16 cents per mile and using just 20 mpg for gas equivalency cost......

just replacing the batteries is equivalent to $3.20 per gallon of gas.....

Now I made some very general assumptions, but have not even used the cost of electricity to charge the vehical....

Just do not comprehend yet where expected operating cost benefits are being derived from....... yes, I can see where they are postponed, untill you have to replace batteries, just don't see great savings.

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I wonder how much US Gov croney money was put into building that plant.

Without subsidies (tax credits etc..) none of the electrics/hybrids pencil out.
 

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I agree that you need to compare this option to the cost of running gas or diesel. But I don't think you can depend on the cost of gas staying at what it is, and if we put a value on the effects of emissions, which is being done, then the calculations become much more complicated.

Batteries are nasty beasts just like combustion engines. We don't know the effects of a world run on batteries yet either.

So ultimately this option needs to be debated on two levels, whats best for a person and their budget right now, and whats best for our collective future.
 
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