There is a book out there that gives the average rates in each area. Find your area and check it out. It gives you the going rate for all trades in your area. My area is different than your area and your area is different than his area and his area is different than my area. We don't know your area or his area, but I know my area which is likely differnt than the guys from UK and the guys from Hawaii and the guys from Canada and the guys from Kansas City and the guys from New York and the guys from Florida.... It is a vague question you ask, you know.