[africanrye]

I have been in the Carpenters Union for 7 years now and have noticed that it gets worse and worse every year work wise. I am getting fed up with lay offs and lack of work. I guess im looking to hear from some guys that have left to work non union and are better off because of consistent work. Or if i should stick it out and hope things get better, just want to get the hell out of my parents basement!

 

[Resta]

7 years in the union?? ..... With the union wage?? ... Had to live alone long time ago and not in the basement ...
Sorry...

 

[Sprtman]

You may have become permanently damaged being union for that long.

 

[Tom M]

The union pays better than non. What do you do when you your laid off? If you do side jobs.....how do you think you will do with no security blanket, overhead and your neighbor cutting your price in half becasue hes doing side work.

 

[hdavis]

FWIW, I've known union guys in various construction trades all ,my life, and they pretty much all wound up doing the same thing for some years - they traveled to wherever the work was, and lived there while they worked. Some rented motel rooms, some hauled a travel trailer, some lived in conversion vans.

 

[africanrye]

When im laid off i usually go frame for a guy but the "crew" usually consists of junkies,ex cons,drunks,ect. Basically from what ive seen in the Union is it's not what you know, it's who you know, and im not the ass kissn' type of guy,which is essential in the union. yes pay is good but it dont matter when theres no work. I'm lucky if i work 6 months out of the year here. The union really does brainwash you, but if you're father or brother in law is the BA or Foreman, you're alset. :thumbup:

 

[hdavis]

I knew a guy whose GF liked to swing with other guys. He never was out of work long.

 

[Ohteah]

Make it Personal

To me you have to look at it from your personal perspective. I left a contractor I worked for approx. 5yrs to go into local union. Like a lot of guys thought the grass was greener on the other side. Spent 2yrs in the union, laid off 3mos or so each year. I was lucky enough to keep a good relationship with previous employer, so he actually put me to work when I was laid off. I was putting a ladder on the van when my foreman called me to go back to work. Thanks ,but no thanks.
I ended up back working non-union and can't complain. For me it was less money per hour, but I'm steady with OT,co. van, cell phone, etc. so it balances out I guess. Another factor was having a little more input and the way I was viewed by my employer. In the union your more like a lemming or worker bee.
I do pay an arm and a leg for healthcare and I cringe every time I get my annuity statement from the union. I save for retirement but I'm not sacking away the same kind of coin I was getting from the union. I was also married with a kid so my financial responsibility was probably more than you have living in the basement, so I needed to be steady. If I was 21 I may have stuck it out.
You gotta weigh your pros and cons. I also had a job waiting for me. I place a good amount of value on work environment and I like and respect the guys I work with. They're a good group of the same guys everyday not a rag tag bunch that varies from job to job like some union gigs. Just sharing my personal exp in a similar situation.


Good Luck

 

[ubcguy89]

Let me share my union experience. I am currently a union carpenter, I was luckily enough to get in with a small company that keeps a small group of guys. We all like each other, and we do our jobs well. For the first few years I jumped around laid off here and there, but you need to find a company that likes you. If you show a hard work ethic, good skills, stay off the damn cell phone, and show up to work on time, you are going to work alot. In the commercial business its all about numbers, and if you are not hitting those numbers your not going to work.

 

[Needles]

All business is about hitting the numbers and schedules. This it the hierarchy of most jobs. PM, sup, gen foreman, foreman, core crew members, and expendable labor. Everyone's expendable, some more than others. My number one rule is never trust anyone. Most of the people I befriend are outside my trade. They have nothing to gain from backstabbing and could lead to another job contact in the future.

 

[Kolbiwest58]

Wish I would have gone non union for a while before getting in at the age of 18, considering about leaving to go none union for a while. Because called every company I could off a paper I was sent and nothing for a apprentice

 

[garrz]

You may have become permanently damaged being union for that long.

 

[garrz]

Yo ***** I work my ****ing balls off in the carpenters union she don’t know jack **** you think you do I ****ing smoke you number one I don’t care is 10 years ago you’re an idiot then when we retire we have a pension you stupid people like you that aren’t as a union dog that’s what unions are idiot to organize so they can’t take money from you and take it vantage of you we used to have 12 hour days but thanks for the unions we have eight now thank us for thatI was working at my new job last year for a few days to make some extra money first ****ing day I fell through the scaffolding and I was hurt myself bad I’ve been hurt in my unit at 24 years so you nonunion people you got it all wrong did you need her there for you to help protect you idiots like this don’t listen to

 

[VinylHanger]

I think the idiot is the one who doesn't know what a paragraph is.

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[hdavis]

Yeah, tough to read.

 

[wallmaxx]

I was union low-voltage for a bit.....not for me.

Was a framer since 1989.....started at $11/hr...worked my way up to $13.50 by 1995.
2001 I started as a solo, self-employed, framing contractor.
Billed out at $50 per man-hour, paid myself $35/hr.
Never found anyone good enough or who knew equal or more than me to start a crew......and I don't have the strength or maybe the courage to have other's livelihoods dependent on me and my bidding skills. You guys running crews are boss!
Stayed solo until 2010.

I would team up with other contractors when I needed a second smart guy for a day of heavy lifting or roof work.....we would trade time to help each other out.
Near the end, I did a bunch of framing for one young builder who was always trying the newest cool thing.....got hooked on Advantech that way.

Start your own carpentry biz.
Hell, put the whole thing on youtube.
In America....amazing things happen everyday!! It's up to you to reveal just how big your future will be.

 

[Kingcarpenter1]

Carpenters union & iron workers unions I was in were highly political 35 years or so ago. Couldn’t deal w/the bs or kiss arse to get 4 days a week. Get outta there

Mike

 

[NDW]

Even without the politics the unions around here take 15k/yr out of your check for health insurance. Unless u got 3 wives and 12 kids its a total ripoff. I couldnt possibly work for an organization thats that incompetent and gets wrecked by insurance companies.

They are overrated.

 

[A&E Exteriors]

Yo * I work my *ing balls off in the carpenters union she don’t know jack * you think you do I ****ing smoke you number one I don’t care is 10 years ago you’re an idiot then when we retire we have a pension you stupid people like you that aren’t as a union dog that’s what unions are idiot to organize so they can’t take money from you and take it vantage of you we used to have 12 hour days but thanks for the unions we have eight now thank us for thatI was working at my new job last year for a few days to make some extra money first ****ing day I fell through the scaffolding and I was hurt myself bad I’ve been hurt in my unit at 24 years so you nonunion people you got it all wrong did you need her there for you to help protect you idiots like this don’t listen to

Why don't you chill the phuck out jack ass.

I'll frame circles around you.

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[Easy Gibson]

Frame off!

Frame off!