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I had a HO call about finishing up a metal roof. 3 contractor have walked off cause they were in way over there heads, totally hacked this roof up. The roof is an aluminum standing seam (real close to the beach). All that is left is to hang the ridges and install 1 pc. of flashing, materials are on site and I can knock this job out in 2-3 days cause it is 2 story and steep but very do-able.

I have a few problems though...

1) Another contractor (number 4) wants to do the job and said the HO signed his contract. The HO said he does not trust this contractor and will not let him on his property, says he caught him in a few lies. I talked to the other contractor and he seam like a good guy, his price was $2 grand higher than mine and I think that might be the reason the HO wants out. I did not know he even looked at the job till after I gave a quick estimate (certainly not low-ball by any means). Should I step back cause this other guy wants the job, after all his business has nothing to do with mine but I don't need to start a war either.

2) The first two guy that worked on this roof were complete hacks, there are major problems and the right way to fix them is to remove the roof and start over again, the problem is the HO has $30,000 in a $20,000 roof already and it still ain't complete. I don't see him coming up with another $20,000 to start over. He just wants to cap it so it looks done and move on.

3) I can't tell how well these other guys attached the panels, I can see the valleys are completely wrong, and if they come off during a storm and I'm the last one there do I now own the liability? There is 4 boxes of clips on the ground and the job ain't that big.

4) HO has sued 4 other contractors already. I don't want to come in and do what I say I am going to do and end up paying the price for these others.

I want to help this guy out but don't to cut my own throat doing it.... any advice is appreciated.
 

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First instinct would be RUN, let the other guy deal with it. MY experiance with customers that have been through multiple GC"S is usually that the customer has been the problem. They probably went for the low $ with the first roofer, same with the second, and so on. They now feel like they have to overpay, and will be looking to take it out on someone (YOU). If i where to get involved in a job like this, it would only be T&M, and i would not gaurantee any aspect of the job i did not do, my contract would be long and CLEAR....GMOD
 

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RUN


I would think if the right way to do is would be to remove it, and you have no idea how to guarantee the work as you will own it once you take money to complete it, then he will hold you responsible, crap out your name if anything fails and sue you like the rest.....RUN AWAY.

You gave your price, you see a conflict you are not sure will resolve without you taking a chance........is the chance worth all the negatives?
 

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No brainer. Run away. Fast. Like they said above, once you touch it, you own it. 5 years later, when the whole thing collapses, who do you think they will go after in court? The hacks who've already dissapeared, or you.
If you do take it, document the whole thing very carefully, with extensive notes, pictures, opinions, etc. Make sure the customer signs all that paperwork. (I guarantee they won't).
My best advice stands though.

RUN!
 

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#1 HO has sued 4 other contractors already.
#2 I want to help this guy out
there are your two issues. I'm not out to help out people in my business. If I am coming in behind another (or four) who screwed up, I'm going to fix the problem like it is supposed to be fixed.

if you take it, addendum that there is no warranty on the roof other than the pieces that you touch-include a before/after picture and note the panels on a final draw so both parties have the info.
 

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" 2) The first two guy that worked on this roof were complete hacks, there are major problems and the right way to fix them is to remove the roof and start over again, the problem is the HO has $30,000 in a $20,000 roof already and it still ain't complete. I don't see him coming up with another $20,000 to start over. He just wants to cap it so it looks done and move on. "

Do it right or don't do it. The homeowner is controlling the quality and method of installation. If a complete removal and reinstallation is the correct repair, bid the correct repair IMO. Then providing warranty and responsibility for liability is a non-issue. How much he has already spent isn't your problem.

I run into dangerous non-professional electrical work and unfortunately it costs more to remove and replace than if I had done the original installation.

It's possible to cover your butt with contract language on a patch-job, but better to not be involved IMO, especially when a lawyer is already involved.
 

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It sounds like the HO is the problem

If you can't do the job properly, why mess with it? if it needs to be torn off and started over, that is what needs to be done.

HO already has a contract with another roofer.

Would you like it if the HO a contract with you, but hired someone else?

Are you going to like being sued by the HO along with the other contractors?

Run from this job.
 

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Listen to your instincts and follow the good advice from above in the thread. If you don't redo the whole thing when things go wrong on the roof you'll be holding the bag.
 

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How many red flags does it take to get you to walk away? My red flag meter on this one went nuclear. I cant see even one compelling reason to take this job.

The HO has sued 4 contractors already. How many contractors do you think he has screwed over that never went to court? The hacks probably don't have insurance, you do, so he needs someone with good insurance to sue, and that will be you. Count on it. Touch his roof and you will own it, and he will own you.

The only way to do this job is to start over like you said. So if you willingly do any work without doing it right, (which is tear off and start over) you're dead meat. Ho's lie too. This one smells really bad to me with just the little info you provided.

I want to help this guy out but don't to cut my own throat doing it.... any advice is appreciated.
This guy wants to sue you. He will not pay you and he will sue you. RUN!







 

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RUN, when the roof has an issue that's not related to you and there's an insurance claim They will claim against the last one who was on the roof. Insurance companies don't care. They want to recover. and you will waste time and money on lawyers trying to fight it. And who's to say when you get a contract he shops your quote and gets yet another contractor to bid the work? This client is already soured to contractors. What make you think your experience will be any different from all the others who already have problems with this guy?
 

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1) Another contractor (number 4) wants to do the job and said the HO signed his contract.

This customer has no regards for a signed contract. How will yours be different in his eyes?

4) HO has sued 4 other contractors already.

Like any good athlete, he's been training and you could be his superbowl.

I want to help this guy out but don't to cut my own throat doing it

To truly help would be to completely remove the previous work and start from scratch. Forget about what it is costing the customer (emphasis on cuss), what's it going to cost you to do it? Would you like to earn a profit? The best help is to do the job correctly and empathize with the client over his bad luck. Don't cut corners and/or absorb any of his injuries.

We are currently on out 3rd fix & finish this year. Turns out that I like this kind of job because I really like appreciative clients. Yours as described though, I'd walk away.

Good Luck
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You're in Florida, so I know you get the DBPR punishment sheets. You want to be added to the number?

I'm usually one of the most benevolent guys posting here. But even I have to ask what in the world is wrong with you?

RUN!
 

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4) HO has sued 4 other contractors already.

Like any good athlete, he's been training and you could be his superbowl.

Nice! Can I use that one? :laughing:


apehanger...just in case anything was unclear in all the other posts....







RUN!!!
 

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I had a HO call about finishing up a metal roof. 3 contractor have walked off cause they were in way over there heads, totally hacked this roof up. The roof is an aluminum standing seam (real close to the beach). All that is left is to hang the ridges and install 1 pc. of flashing, materials are on site and I can knock this job out in 2-3 days cause it is 2 story and steep but very do-able.

I have a few problems though...

1) Another contractor (number 4) wants to do the job and said the HO signed his contract. The HO said he does not trust this contractor and will not let him on his property, says he caught him in a few lies. I talked to the other contractor and he seam like a good guy, his price was $2 grand higher than mine and I think that might be the reason the HO wants out. I did not know he even looked at the job till after I gave a quick estimate (certainly not low-ball by any means). Should I step back cause this other guy wants the job, after all his business has nothing to do with mine but I don't need to start a war either.

2) The first two guy that worked on this roof were complete hacks, there are major problems and the right way to fix them is to remove the roof and start over again, the problem is the HO has $30,000 in a $20,000 roof already and it still ain't complete. I don't see him coming up with another $20,000 to start over. He just wants to cap it so it looks done and move on.

3) I can't tell how well these other guys attached the panels, I can see the valleys are completely wrong, and if they come off during a storm and I'm the last one there do I now own the liability? There is 4 boxes of clips on the ground and the job ain't that big.

4) HO has sued 4 other contractors already. I don't want to come in and do what I say I am going to do and end up paying the price for these others.

I want to help this guy out but don't to cut my own throat doing it.... any advice is appreciated.
You're gonna get just as screwed as the other guys. heck, she already signed a contract with one guy?

If she's got a signed contract with someone else get out of there. Money is tight these days, but still not enough for that
 
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