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Better than no test.I wouldn't expect a cheap and simple chemical test would get the accuracy of results the EPA is looking for.
Good luck making money on the jobs with lead. My window guy makes less money on the jobs with lead than the ones without lead. That's one reason i have nothing to do with it. Less money yet vastly more liability. Remember this law only works if its enforced and HO knows about it. Have not come across one HO on one single job yet who knows about it.I appreciate this thread. As having taken the (joke) of a class and becoming certified it became very apparent that we the contractors are taken the brunt of the burden on this issue.
I've tested the same area with three different vials and have gotten two different results.
I thought is this best out of five? Ten? Are we back on the playground playing a pickup game of horse?
How can they demand that things be tested yet not provide - at a cost - a reliable means to do so.
That's always been in the back of my mind mulling around. Until this morning. I just reached out to two testing companies and am waiting for contact back.
If they have the guns, which ARE accurate, and provide a report why not??
By the time I buy a kit, break open five vials and then still not KNOW for sure what we're looking at - it's a done deal.
So to whomever mentioned hiring the company for the testing, THANK YOU!
(Well actually the suggestion to hire the company was in the comments from the article linked in this thread.) So THANK YOU Timberline MD
Easy - it isn't their problem that there's no decent cheap test, it's yours and mine. I do agree that they mislead when they say one test or another meets the law - the quick tests are just not suitable for me to use to establish lead levels.How can they demand that things be tested yet not provide - at a cost - a reliable means to do so.
Oh I hear you loud and clear Hdavis. The whole thing is bass ackwards but that would take a far longer thread.Easy - it isn't their problem that there's no decent cheap test, it's yours and mine. I do agree that they mislead when they say one test or another meets the law - the quick tests are just not suitable for me to use to establish lead levels.
On another note - I've been practicing dust free repairs, so I have a better handle on costs for anything where I'm going to have to be RRP compliant. So far it's looking like triple materials cost and a few extra hours for a medium repair.
FStephenMasek said:There is no need for any such "kit" when there are thousands of us consultants with highly accurate XRF machines ready to test, and to do so with absolutely no damage, not even a mark. The key to lowering the cost of testing is saving the consultant time, especially travel time. That can be done by grouping small projects.
I typically have 3 appointments for a...say kitchen remodel. The first is free to take a look-see and begin the process. The second is a formal walk through with subs to get accurate quotes. The third is for contract signing.There is no need for any such "kit" when there are thousands of us consultants with highly accurate XRF machines ready to test, and to do so with absolutely no damage, not even a mark.
The key to lowering the cost of testing is saving the consultant time, especially travel time. That can be done by grouping small projects.
That's fine if there's some lead time available.There is no need for any such "kit" when there are thousands of us consultants with highly accurate XRF machines ready to test, and to do so with absolutely no damage, not even a mark.
The key to lowering the cost of testing is saving the consultant time, especially travel time. That can be done by grouping small projects.
Only every very small job. Have you priced polyethylene sheeting (thick enough to last, 4 to 6-mil)? All of the other supplies? The time to erect the containments, and perform the cleaning? Record keeping time?At them kinds of costs its gonna be cheaper to treat every job like it contains lead!
I go above what RRP require on almost every job without lead. I do dust free remodels so im more than set up for RRP with negative pressure extraction and tool dust extraction. Thats why its cheaper for some contractors to just not XRF test and treat all jobs like theres lead. I dont want anything to do with RRP though. way to much liability.Only every very small job. Have you priced polyethylene sheeting (thick enough to last, 4 to 6-mil)? All oft eh other supplies? The time to erect the containments, and perform the cleaning? Record keeping time?