Employees and tools
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^^^ that.
Tell us how much you're paying relative to the market you're in.
Are you hiring laborers or experienced hands?
What kind of work are you expecting from folks?
Tell us how much you're paying relative to the market you're in.
Are you hiring laborers or experienced hands?
What kind of work are you expecting from folks?
What sort of employee? All-purpose grunt, or highly skilled specialist?
General rule of thumb is that the worker provides his own hand tools, while the GC provides the more bulky and/or high-priced stuff. But a skilled specialist is going to have his favorites--many of which may not be what the GC is willing to stock.
General rule of thumb is that the worker provides his own hand tools, while the GC provides the more bulky and/or high-priced stuff. But a skilled specialist is going to have his favorites--many of which may not be what the GC is willing to stock.
I Will be hiring one laborer and one carpenter. I see where your going with this. I think what your asking is if I hire a laborer to dig a post hole he will need a shovel and I assume I would provide it. In the case of the carpenter that provides his own tools, what if he shows up with a 20 year old beat up circular saw? Can I require him to put a new blade on the saw, replace the saw at his cost, or is that up to him? I have seen this last scenario before.
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If the 20 year old beat up saw functions well and he knows how to use it, you keep your mouth shut and let him do his job. :whistling Been there done that, turned out to be one of the best finish carpenters I've ever hired.
And now 25 years I have 20+ year old beat up saws that work better than most brand new ones, you question my saw and my abilities.... I place saw up your arse, possibly running. Don't have the decorum that the old guy I did that to, had.
Don't like his blade buy him a new one.
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Regardless of skill level, the tools provided is also dependant on the pay scale. If you're paying slave wages, you can expect to provide ALL tools.
If you're paying good rates, then the employee should provide some of their own tools (usually 'hand' tools).
No matter what, if you expect an employee to supply some tools, then a list should be provided for them during the interview process.
I don't ever expect to hire anyone, but I still have a list of tools employees would be required to furnish, based on their experience and skill level.
If you're paying good rates, then the employee should provide some of their own tools (usually 'hand' tools).
No matter what, if you expect an employee to supply some tools, then a list should be provided for them during the interview process.
I don't ever expect to hire anyone, but I still have a list of tools employees would be required to furnish, based on their experience and skill level.
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for me if I was an employee. unless you agree to pay for wear, damaged , stolen tools you can buy anything with power.
hand tools only.
It all comes down to pay.
I hate those ads I use to see must have all power tools. truck. insurance. able to get material. red seal carpenter. pay is 20 an hour. lol. why not just go self employed if you gotta get all of that.
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hand tools only.
It all comes down to pay.
I hate those ads I use to see must have all power tools. truck. insurance. able to get material. red seal carpenter. pay is 20 an hour. lol. why not just go self employed if you gotta get all of that.
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In my experience, the good guys will provide most of their own tools and truck, a good company will have most if not all tools available for use but the good guy will use most of his own gear.
Beyond that you should 100% pay for all consumables, saw blades etc, partially for your own benefit. Say you,re demoing a whole roof, sometimes makes sense to murder a couple skilsaw blades and cut right through the shingles, sheathing everything. That could be costing $15+ per hour just in saw blades no hourly employee is going to want to eat that cost but it makes the job go way faster.
You should also pay for repairs and replacements on broken and damaged tools.
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Beyond that you should 100% pay for all consumables, saw blades etc, partially for your own benefit. Say you,re demoing a whole roof, sometimes makes sense to murder a couple skilsaw blades and cut right through the shingles, sheathing everything. That could be costing $15+ per hour just in saw blades no hourly employee is going to want to eat that cost but it makes the job go way faster.
You should also pay for repairs and replacements on broken and damaged tools.
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We provide all tools for all of our employee's no matter what skill or pay grade.
While we're on the subject, where do you all stand on cordless tools? Since there is a myriad of them these days, should a skilled "carpenter" have his own set or are you willing to provide a set including but not limited to a sawsall, drill, driver, multi tool, circular saw, palm sander and power plane?
If I'm there with them everyday I don't mind providing everything but if I was to send a carpenter out on a job he should have the tools he needs for said job. I suppose I could set him up with enough stuff but it would be at risk of being lost, stolen or damaged.
If I had a two man crew with a van I could see having it set up.
If I'm there with them everyday I don't mind providing everything but if I was to send a carpenter out on a job he should have the tools he needs for said job. I suppose I could set him up with enough stuff but it would be at risk of being lost, stolen or damaged.
If I had a two man crew with a van I could see having it set up.
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I guess that may be trade specific. As deck builders, 90% of our work is drilling something. Therefore all cordless tools are supplied by me. We must have 10 drills and as much impacts.
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I guess that may be trade specific. As deck builders, 90% of our work is drilling something.
Mike.
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That’s a lot of screwing around
As deck builders, 90% of our work is drilling something.
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Must be nice, get to screw off all day and still get paid...
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We provide all power tools, cords, shovels, wheel barrows, rakes, anything with a motor or engine, etc. We also provide all PPE, consumable bits & blades, etc., as well as basic uniform, rain gear, gloves, etc.
Employees provide all of their own hand tools; hammers, wrenches, welding hoods, pry bars, pliers, etc. We also expect them to have the proper footwear and winter weather clothing as necessary. We have a couple very specific minimum required hand tool lists depending upon what skill / pay level they are at.
Employees provide all of their own hand tools; hammers, wrenches, welding hoods, pry bars, pliers, etc. We also expect them to have the proper footwear and winter weather clothing as necessary. We have a couple very specific minimum required hand tool lists depending upon what skill / pay level they are at.
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If you provide the tools then there should never be the excuse of we didn't do that or didn't finish this because we didn't have the right tool for the job.
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