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It's just like television. If you don't like it, turn the damn station. Also, for the idiot who said I'm on thin ice, your childish threat is truly boorish. I understand your stance 100% and you are 100% wrong.:censored::censored::censored:
Rocker, I think the above, is probably the critical issue here.

Although I admit, that some people would prefer a take all comers approach. I for one, prefer leaving the Homeowners, DIYers out. Mainly because it would turn into something resembling TV. Flipping the channel will not work here, these people will spam all across the forum, looking to get their questions answered.

Ever notice, when your flipping thru the tv stations, almost every station is the same... 200 stations, nothing really on? When I flip through the stations, I see; movies with guns, commercials, young girls, commercials, young girls with guns, commercials, news about young girls and guns, then more commercials. (substitute sex and violence, if you want). Personally I like sex and violence, but occasionally I'd like to see something else.

I'm afraid, if they let the homeowners and "how to" questions come into play here., It would take over much of the site. We could spend our evenings, giving free advice to homeowners. While they can tell us, how much smarter and better their way is anyhow. Others will be asking "how much" questions, which won't get answered, because no true contractor is going to waste his time with that.

I'm not trying to put DIYers and Homeowneres down. But, after spending a day dealing with these people, not to mention friends and family, who I have to play this game with, the last thing I want to do is give away more free advice. Ecspecially, when I come on here, looking to get support from other contractors (peers).
 

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I also understand the Owner's Manual however this is one of those times I read the thread and then saw it was locked and thought, WTF?!!
I agree with Rocker and say the thread should have remained open so other drywallers/contractors could have learned something. :thumbsup:
Oh well...
 

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That discriminates against contractors from NY and other states that take the enlightened approach that no one can enforce the licensing laws so why bother>G<
Seriously, how would I prove to their satisfaction?
So instead of working to improve things they just allow any hack to call themselves a contractor??

That sure sounds enlightened to me.
 

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So instead of working to improve things they just allow any hack to call themselves a contractor??

That sure sounds enlightened to me.

I have enjoyed your posts in the past.

This is where you and I differ.
First, do you know why the liscencing law was enacted in the first place?

Enlightened is because in reading on here and many other web sites, contractors are always complaining about hacks. Having these laws does absolutely nothing to correct that. All it means is that you limit competition.
Competition should ultimately decide who is a hack and not whether you can pass a test and be finacially solvent.

It sure hasn't stopped the current problem with homebuilding in florida.:whistling
 

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I have enjoyed your posts in the past.

This is where you and I differ.
First, do you know why the liscencing law was enacted in the first place?

Enlightened is because in reading on here and many other web sites, contractors are always complaining about hacks. Having these laws does absolutely nothing to correct that. All it means is that you limit competition.
Competition should ultimately decide who is a hack and not whether you can pass a test and be finacially solvent.

It sure hasn't stopped the current problem with homebuilding in florida.:whistling
In Florida one reason licensing laws were started because Florida gets an influx of winter residents and people were coming down here doing shoddy work and then going back up north after the winter, they were also implementing builiding codes as well as setting statewide as well as county standards, one way to make sure this is done is to make sure contractors had the knowledge and experience to do the work.

Inspections are a good idea, but they can't catch everything.

What specific home building issues are there in florida that would be made better if there were no licensing laws?

The general public has no idea what a hack is and many of them only care about price, good clients like the ones I work for want quality work and are willing to pay for it.
 

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Something similar happened in this thread:

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The moderator decided that the OP's posts contained too many questions, so he showed him the door.
This is strange to me. Some people come to a forum to ask questions, others to share wisdom, and a third group does both.
To eliminate any of these groups would make the forum slow and boring.
 

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I can't believe this thread is 3 pages long already. :rolleyes:

If you don't like the reason why the thread was closed, or you were thought to be a H/O or DIYer and referred elsewhere, and you don't like it, THEN GO SOMEWHERE ELSE OR START YOUR OWN FORUM!:censored:
 

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Why are you afraid of a conversation on format and policy?
I am not afraid of it, nor do I think anyone else on here is.

What is an annoyance is because it has nothing to do with the intentions of the forum - creating a method for contractors to discuss issues facing the industry.
 

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Why are you afraid of a conversation on format and policy?
This same issue comes up once
or twice a year when a new guy
comes along and decides the site needs
all of these changes before he's
even been here long enough to understand
how it works here.
Years ago when the site was young
there were plenty of DIYs and HOs here.
Nathan decided to change that, and here we are.
I'll bet you wouldn't even be here now
if he hadn't changed the policy then. :thumbsup:
 

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When I first started using this site, I searched the forums by looking through the categories. I found tons of interesting threads, a lot of it was very useful, the rest humor worthy. Until I discovered, the "new post" feature. I saw few idiotic posts....

"new posts" are where the action is... at least if you want to pick a fight. :w00t:

Its obvious to me, what gets a lot of people pissed off, Is breaking a multiple of rules on your first dozen or two posts. If someone here, with 4 zillion and 1 posts asks "What's the going rate for digging a hole" its ok. Reason... they KNOW he's not a homeowner looking to grind down some poor soul who's breaking his back, digging a hole.

Personally, I haven't seen anyone with a couple thousand posts asking idiotic questions. Im sure it happens, and when it does, I think everyone should bend over and kiss there own keester, to accomomdate the poster.
Its pretty obvious its a genuine question, and who doesn't go brain dead every once in awhile?

I read a pile of threads, for months, before I felt comfortable to post at all. If someone comes in brand new, and starts asking questons, I think the moderators should have the freedom to take it down... Its the integrity of the site, that they are protecting...

I've had threads that I was following, taken down. In each case, I could sense why. Think what would happen to all the archived threads, if we had to search through all the junk to get to the good stuff.

Last thing, if the thread was good. Why not wait a week, and re-post yourself, but this time, word it so they know its coming from someone devoted to the trades...
 

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Something similar happened in this thread:

Please Help

The moderator decided that the OP's posts contained too many questions, so he showed him the door.
This is strange to me. Some people come to a forum to ask questions, others to share wisdom, and a third group does both.
To eliminate any of these groups would make the forum slow and boring.
This is a site for contractors.Not HO's or DIY'ers...WHY IS THAT SO HARD FOR SOME TO UNDERSTAND?
 

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If you think we're disrespectful and rude,just mosey over to the Plumbers only forum and stick your head in the door!:laughing:

That horse doesn't look well. :laughing:
 

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Why are you afraid of a conversation on format and policy?
Fear has nothing to do with it; this isn't a democracy. Nor is this the appropriate section of the forum for such discussions. If you seriously feel that such a discussion is necessary and appropriate, I would suggest that you start a thread in the Site Help and Suggestions area. :thumbsup:
 
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