It can be full spread with no problem.
Cushioned vinyl
Installed Gerflor texline in a laundry room to-day , seems like a good product .The backing is a woven fibre that is really tough . It supposedly is a loose lay floor but I went with full spread pressure sensitive adhesive . I have only experience with IVC flexitec vinyl before this floor and I full spread those ones as well . Anyone have experience with Gerflor good or bad? The customer picked it out and it supposedly is made in France.
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I've laid a lot of their commercial vinyl, including some cushioned sports flooring. They are a top shelf flooring manufacturer. I don't know if their residential line is also top shelf but I can't imagine them making any crap products.
I would full spread it also. Just don't lay it in wet.
I would full spread it also. Just don't lay it in wet.
I guess I'm a renegade. I don't sit and watch pressure sensitive adhesive dry. I just get to rolling. I'm no authority on this, but I really think the "make sure it's dry" recommendation is based on a belief that installers might use too big a notch and then shove wet adhesive out as they roll it. That's the only thing that makes sense to me. I use a 1/32 v notch and jump right in it. Any more adhesive will be pushed around in waves you will likely not see until it's too late. I get the whole "releasable" argument, but I don't quite get the utility of it. What hausfrau is pulling her kitchen floor up for poops and giggles?
Well, they say it sets up like an epoxy if you lay it in wet. I don't know. I have put it down both ways but have never tried to take any up that was laid in wet. Guess someday I will find out.
Chuck is on the money. Use a small notch and go with it unless there is some reason to have it easy release later on.
Well, they say it sets up like an epoxy if you lay it in wet.
Depending on the amount, I wouldn't disagree with that, Rusty. Use a 16th, and you'll jerk underlayment off the floor if you come back to remove vinyl. That adhesive is wicked strong. With a 32nd, though, it can be taken up. It ain't like pulling up a carpet tile, but it will come up. I just don't see the advantage to anyone in a releasable sheet install. We all know the modular dealio with carpet tile, but what gives with sheet goods?
It goes to the makeup of the adhesive if you ask me. Vinyl backed material is non-porous. You have to have something that can bond to a closed cell surface in order to hold it in place. That reminds me, I had something pretty cool happen several months ago. Did a big job of heavy, vinyl backed material and used the adhesive that was sold with the job. It was in the middle of nowhere and they sold multi-purpose. O well. Screwit. I glued the whole place down and it was perfect. About a month later, I got a call, and they said there were wrinkles. Wrinkles? Yes. Wrinkles.
I go down there and the entire 120 yards had totally released from the adhesive they bought. Granted it was a what passes for a "high solids" adhesive these days, so it was loaded with clay, but the whole job was just sitting there over a bed of dried adhesive loose.
I just glued it back down with pressure sensitive and a hundred pound roller. 30 minutes. No lie. All better. Pretty cool.
Depending on the amount, I wouldn't disagree with that, Rusty. Use a 16th, and you'll jerk underlayment off the floor if you come back to remove vinyl. That adhesive is wicked strong. With a 32nd, though, it can be taken up. It ain't like pulling up a carpet tile, but it will come up. I just don't see the advantage to anyone in a releasable sheet install. We all know the modular dealio with carpet tile, but what gives with sheet goods?
It goes to the makeup of the adhesive if you ask me. Vinyl backed material is non-porous. You have to have something that can bond to a closed cell surface in order to hold it in place. That reminds me, I had something pretty cool happen several months ago. Did a big job of heavy, vinyl backed material and used the adhesive that was sold with the job. It was in the middle of nowhere and they sold multi-purpose. O well. Screwit. I glued the whole place down and it was perfect. About a month later, I got a call, and they said there were wrinkles. Wrinkles? Yes. Wrinkles.
I go down there and the entire 120 yards had totally released from the adhesive they bought. Granted it was a what passes for a "high solids" adhesive these days, so it was loaded with clay, but the whole job was just sitting there over a bed of dried adhesive loose.
I just glued it back down with pressure sensitive and a hundred pound roller. 30 minutes. No lie. All better. Pretty cool.
I just use a paint roller for the pressure sensitive adhesive .
The only thing that will give you enough coverage for is carpet tile.I just use a paint roller for the pressure sensitive adhesive .
I agree, but IVC says to use one. I always use a trowel anyway.The only thing that will give you enough coverage for is carpet tile.
Yeah but they've only changed their install instructions about 5 times since it hit the market lol.I agree, but IVC says to use one. I always use a trowel anyway.
They changed seam sealers 5 times in one summer. The first time I called them, right after the vinyl first hit my area, I asked what sealer to use. The secretary who answered the phone told me that they didn't have a tech dept. And she said they had their own sealer. The local store had no idea what to use and couldn't buy the IVC sealer. So I went to a forum and found out to use latex. But they went back and forth between that and epoxy five times in a few months.
IVC sealer is latex. So is Armstrong S-761. IVC doesn't really even need to be sealed. It's an afterthought, not a necessity.
I've become a reluctant fan of that crap Taylor sells in a toothpaste tube called Infuse. It reminds me of the old S-200. It's nasty, but if you pay attention, it's pretty easy to use. Just make sure you have some acetone and a seam roller.
Speaking of changing sealers, remember when Armstrong didn't even have one? That was the strangest time. They were testing 570, but they were telling everyone to use 553 on urethane products and wipe it off. Nuts. They had a cool as hell bottle for 570 with the needle deal, but the stuff took 8 hours to dry. Later they came out with the accellerants and stuff like the mucho brillo and the poco brillo. I was buying the little bottle kits and 570 and bought a metric fu** ton of the kits and then they discontinued the cans of 570.
Live and learn. hehe
I've become a reluctant fan of that crap Taylor sells in a toothpaste tube called Infuse. It reminds me of the old S-200. It's nasty, but if you pay attention, it's pretty easy to use. Just make sure you have some acetone and a seam roller.
Speaking of changing sealers, remember when Armstrong didn't even have one? That was the strangest time. They were testing 570, but they were telling everyone to use 553 on urethane products and wipe it off. Nuts. They had a cool as hell bottle for 570 with the needle deal, but the stuff took 8 hours to dry. Later they came out with the accellerants and stuff like the mucho brillo and the poco brillo. I was buying the little bottle kits and 570 and bought a metric fu** ton of the kits and then they discontinued the cans of 570.
Live and learn. hehe
I agree, but IVC says to use one.
I thought they say to spread with a trowel and then knock it down with a roller. Am I mistaken?
I thought they say to spread with a trowel and then knock it down with a roller. Am I mistaken?
Perhaps we get different adhesive up here , but , the way I read the application methods is to apply with a roller. It was Tec 749 that was sent with the Gerflor .
Gee. H.B. Fuller really gets around these days.
For a while, IVC was saying to use one of the two-part sealers.IVC sealer is latex. So is Armstrong S-761. IVC doesn't really even need to be sealed. It's an afterthought, not a necessity.
I've become a reluctant fan of that crap Taylor sells in a toothpaste tube called Infuse. It reminds me of the old S-200. It's nasty, but if you pay attention, it's pretty easy to use. Just make sure you have some acetone and a seam roller.
Speaking of changing sealers, remember when Armstrong didn't even have one? That was the strangest time. They were testing 570, but they were telling everyone to use 553 on urethane products and wipe it off. Nuts. They had a cool as hell bottle for 570 with the needle deal, but the stuff took 8 hours to dry. Later they came out with the accellerants and stuff like the mucho brillo and the poco brillo. I was buying the little bottle kits and 570 and bought a metric fu** ton of the kits and then they discontinued the cans of 570.
Live and learn. hehe
Whose? A genuine sealer or a super glue deal like what Armstrong has now?
One of the old epoxy type. My memory is gone, can't remember the name of it.
By the way, how the hell do you cut in around the edges with a paint roller? Get under a toekick?
Sounds like a mess.
Sounds like a mess.
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