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crown problems
Im trying to install this larger crown in this kitchen I'm on. The problem is that the ceiling had a large wave in it do to the ceiling transitioning from truss floor system to 2x12 over the attic space.
The crowns starts right on this high spot. The gap at the end is 9/16", if I scribe it i will eat away all the top profile and if I split the difference I'm still left with a hefty gap to deal with. Not to mention it would have a horrible tapered look.
This is 8" solid maple painted crown.
I have never had to deal with this large of a gap, no where to cheat it do to the reveal on the riser piece. Any advice would help.
The crowns starts right on this high spot. The gap at the end is 9/16", if I scribe it i will eat away all the top profile and if I split the difference I'm still left with a hefty gap to deal with. Not to mention it would have a horrible tapered look.
This is 8" solid maple painted crown.
I have never had to deal with this large of a gap, no where to cheat it do to the reveal on the riser piece. Any advice would help.
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Pull the crown off and run a skim coat of mud with a large knife on the ceiling to level it out.
Is this just on one bank of cabinets? If so I can think of a couple things but I imagine you have other banks of cabinets that match?
Anyway, one thing is lower it about an inch (or whatever you want). The gap won't be too noticeable.
The other thing is lower it and put a scribed piece in the gap.
Other than that the skim thing might work.
Anyway, one thing is lower it about an inch (or whatever you want). The gap won't be too noticeable.
The other thing is lower it and put a scribed piece in the gap.
Other than that the skim thing might work.
No there are four banks of cabinets in this kitchen, two are subject the the transition between the truss to 2x12. The other two the crown fit tight to the ceiling.CrpntrFrk said:Is this just on one bank of cabinets? If so I can think of a couple things but I imagine you have other banks of cabinets that match? Anyway, one thing is lower it about an inch (or whatever you want). The gap won't be too noticeable. The other thing is lower it and put a scribed piece in the gap. Other than that the skim thing might work.
The crown needs to sit tight to the ceiling,
I thought about adding a filer scribe to the top and having the cabinet company send some of there paint.
I don't see how the skim coat idea works, 0 to 9/16" is way to much to "skim" out unless I'm missing something.
I also thought about that basswood trick to finish off a profile with some plaster? Maybe?
We have dropped the crown and cabs about 3" before due to a wavy ceiling. It looked fine with the gap. I second the mudding idea - someone on here mentioned doing entire houses like that, mudding the ceiling flat so all the trim was straight.
Mud it after the crown is in, that way it will be perfect. I installed some crown in an apartment entry and the ceiling was way off. They came back and had the plasterer just fill it in. It was pre finished crown. Looked fine but they were smaller areas, not sure what the rest of your ceiling looks like.
What does the customer think. It is a balancing act any way you do it.
What does the customer think. It is a balancing act any way you do it.
pdmig said:Mud it after the crown is in, that way it will be perfect. I installed some crown in an apartment entry and the ceiling was way off. They came back and had the plasterer just fill it in. It was pre finished crown. Looked fine but they were smaller areas, not sure what the rest of your ceiling looks like. What does the customer think. It is a balancing act any way you do it.
If you mud it after the crown is in, you lose the difference from the crown. If you mud, level, hell throw some strips of fiberglass in the ceiling if you have to, then you can get the crown to fully reveal evenly.
She has no opinion really, just make it look good!pdmig said:Mud it after the crown is in, that way it will be perfect. I installed some crown in an apartment entry and the ceiling was way off. They came back and had the plasterer just fill it in. It was pre finished crown. Looked fine but they were smaller areas, not sure what the rest of your ceiling looks like. What does the customer think. It is a balancing act any way you do it.
This was all designed by her kitchen designer and I get to play make it right.
Tear down the second story and rebuild the ceiling. Its the only way to do it right. Dont be a hack and fill it with putty.
Float the ceiling, or drop the cabinets, not much else you can do to make it look right.
I usually float the ceiling as well. But I have also removed the crown and cut a hole above the cabinet. Large enough to get your hand and some shims in. Then pull down on the high spot and shim and rescrew as necessary. Your patch doesn't have to be perfect, just a tape coat. Once the crown is re- installed you can't even see it.
Exactly what I was thinkingCould you work in a ceiling step on all 4 and match the paint? I noticed the range in the back doesn't have one, but it's an option to look at.
Like others said feather it out and call it the day. Not much you can do unless you do what Metro said, take the second floor out :laughing:
On one job we had a similar situation, and what we did, was a cut a hole and drop the Sheetrock off the joist then patch the hole. The ceiling joist had a crown and when they nailed it, they pulled the Sheetrock right in to that crown, so after we dropped it it was nice and straight. It might work in your situation, drop the Ceiling near the transition point and it might work, it will lay right on top of the crown.
On one job we had a similar situation, and what we did, was a cut a hole and drop the Sheetrock off the joist then patch the hole. The ceiling joist had a crown and when they nailed it, they pulled the Sheetrock right in to that crown, so after we dropped it it was nice and straight. It might work in your situation, drop the Ceiling near the transition point and it might work, it will lay right on top of the crown.
Since the crown is up...
I'd probably have to cut holes, cut along ceiling to wall corner tape, remove dw screws as needed, & shim the ceiling down to the crown to within 3/16 or so. Then tape, mud, & caulk the crown in the rest of the way. 9/16 is a lot!
Originally, I probably would have scribed a little on left, run the crown out a bit across the length of the cabinet, mud ceiling down a little, & caulk the balance. It's all about taking a little here, & a little there, vs all in one place. That's why sometimes you just have to keep ther level in the truck!
Joe
I'd probably have to cut holes, cut along ceiling to wall corner tape, remove dw screws as needed, & shim the ceiling down to the crown to within 3/16 or so. Then tape, mud, & caulk the crown in the rest of the way. 9/16 is a lot!
Originally, I probably would have scribed a little on left, run the crown out a bit across the length of the cabinet, mud ceiling down a little, & caulk the balance. It's all about taking a little here, & a little there, vs all in one place. That's why sometimes you just have to keep ther level in the truck!
Joe
This is why I always check ceilings with a rotary laser first. If it's out of level or rolling around I will tell the HO b4 we start that the ceiling has to come down and be leveled or this is what happens. Only right way to fix it. Since it's up you can only add a scribe piece above the crown or float the ceiling with mud. Doing it the mud way you better get 6 bags of 5min and 3 buckets of green lid for that gap!
Thanks for all the support.
After talking with home owner we are just going to drop it down an 1.5". Not exactly what she wanted but it's the most simple option. I was able to pull down the pieces that were already up with out damage.
After talking with home owner we are just going to drop it down an 1.5". Not exactly what she wanted but it's the most simple option. I was able to pull down the pieces that were already up with out damage.
A little late to the party, - - but the quickest, easiest, and cheapest fix (other than more pre-planning next time) would have been to simply fill in the gap with plaster and flat-knife it . . .
This is what I have always done... Installed crown throughout a 5 k sq ft home.. Had to do this in 4 placesSharkman said:Pull the crown off and run a skim coat of mud with a large knife on the ceiling to level it out.
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