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56 ln feet of paint grade MDF crown molding, single piece of molding not building up. Prep, paint, install, caulk and touch up. Materials + 15%, labor $3.00 linear foot.

Am I doing it too cheap or charging too much?
 

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looks fine to me. I hate doing that stuff, I would pay more :)
 

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Pricing the trim

When trimming, how does one determine how much to charge per linear ft. is it a percentage of the actual cost per linear ft. i.e $4.00 per ft. plus 50%. :eek:
 

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We have to have a basis to figure out what to charge for something. By the linear foot is just one way because you have a basis that works as a measure of the job that changes by the job at least in theory. However you have to come up with you price and your pricing methods on your own and see what works for you. What happens when you are doing stain grade molding? What about a built up molding? What do you do when the rooms surfaces are totally out of wack? What do you do when there are huge pieces of furniture in the way and the owner is 80 years old?

Linear foot just gives you something to start with.
 

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Mike, it's true that linear footage give you a place to start, but your 'system' seems a little too basic for your own good. 'Intersections' (corners, laps) impact your time (therefore, your price) much more than 'footage'. Just to throw some numbers out there, how about if you tried say, $2.50/ft, plus $15/lap joint, plus $25/corner (inside or outside), plus $1/ft to paint. This brings your labor price from say, $168, to $296 (taking for granted four corners and no 'laps'). Of course, plug in you own numbers, but I do think you are charging too little for the professional that you are. Crown molding (even painted) falls under the 'fine trimwork' category. The numbers you gave it didn't even seem like you were charging for painting. Remember, time is money. I usually cut (and cope) my corners and paint one coat before I even get to the job, then a 'face' coat after installation and hole-filling are complete. Using this system of pricing, a simple 5 X 8 bathroom would be $191 labor, as opposed to a 'linear' system, where the same bathroom would be only $104 labor. This 'system' will also help cover you in these 'small job' situations (where there are still at least 4 corners in the room). Hope this helps.
 

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Tom - yeah, things have come a long way since that post. You are totally correct it is a very simplified approach and one I would look at differently today. That job was for my wife's boss and I had no clue where to price it at. The most important thing was to do a great job for him and not price it so cheap that I was screwed if he would now want crown ran through the entire house! LOL!


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but I do think you are charging too little for the professional that you are.
Watch who you are calling a professional, them's fight'n words! :cheesygri
 
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56 ln feet of paint grade MDF crown molding, single piece of molding not building up. Prep, paint, install, caulk and touch up. Materials + 15%, labor $3.00 linear foot.

Am I doing it too cheap or charging too much?
$ 264.60

Too much? Even if you paid $1.50 per foot for your materials, you only made $12.60 with that 15% and $3.00 per liner you get a whopping $168.00
For a total of $180.60. Barley a carpenters pay. Add to that, gas, tools, truck, etc.

Any employee I have that is competent enough to load the truck, purcahse the material, protect the owners property, install, crown, prep and finish it all in one day certainly isn't going out of the office with my tools in one of my trucks for $180.00.

Even if you break even to keep on good terms with the client, what are you going to do if you employee spill paint on the carpet...all for $180.00.

I would have sold that on a time and material basis only, time starts when the truck leaves the office. Min. $95per hour for a two man crew, truck with tools. Time charged in 4 hour blocks. (If I got to pay my guys for the day, I can't be selling 6-7 hour jobs)

Chances are time and material or a quote would have come to $800-900.00. Otherwise it just isnt worth sending them.
 

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$800-900.00. Otherwise it just isnt worth sending them.
Nope. Momma said when you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all.
 

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When we work directly with homeowners.... I mean get payed directly by the homeowner with no middleman,we charge $45hr per person and they never have a problem with that price. I like doing the crown and i'm pretty fast at it,and my partner would rather cut the fillers,install island panels..flutes etc. We both install the cabinets and then go our seperate ways with the other things. We just did a job 2 weeks ago for a homeowner and i came out with $225 for almost 5hrs of easy work. That was a nice payday. The crown was little too. I laughed when i saw it. I would rather get highend installs because i feel better about my work when i step back to look at it at the end of the day. We never supply the cabinets or crown,and i don't think we ever will. I see too many homeowners refuse stuff because it didn't look like the picture. Rarely will they say they don't like the way something was installed and if that happens it's usually the engineers fault :) .
 

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This post is kind of old but I thought Id still give my insight.

This might sound like big city pricing and maybe it is.But I charge $50 a miter(corner).It works out pretty good.Thats for labor only.Labor includes install and prep work(sanding,caulking and putty).I do not paint so this is for install only.Materials is based on total linear footage rounded up.Remember most crown mouldings come in max of 16fters.Then I too add 15%.

So for example,if you have a 12by15 ft room with four corners its 200 labor.But I also count a splice as a miter too.So a 15by20 ft room would be 300 labor.But I do consider room size as a factor too.If I have a 5by8 ft bathroom with 4 corners Ill charge 155 labor as I can whip this out in 20 minutes.

Crown moulding to me is like tying my shoe but I still got to make it worth Getting up in the morning,getting gas,showing up on time,set-up,install,breakdown and clean-up,getting paid and going to the bank.
 

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Yeah, this thread started a long time ago, but it hits a chord with all of us. Here's my 2 cents...

I agree with Tom's formula above, but I use a higher rate that most home owners in my area can handle. I'm quoting $675 for approx. 72LF (15'6" x 19') of standard FJ primed pine crown ($1.60/LF + tax) with 4 inside corners.

One factor in job pricing that everyone has overlooked is the value proposition. By that I mean how much value is added to the home owner's equity by having the work done. Its a big intangible, but it's part of my justification when a homeowner questions my price. I show before and after pictures of work I've done and ask them to put a value on it.
 
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Crown Molding

I have just completed a crown molding job using 216 linear feet of mdf. The job included 14 inside corners and 13 outside corners, and 4 splices. I caulked, filled, and painted two coats.

My question is, what is the price that everyone would have charged for this job? This was my first crown job, and enjoyed doing something different and would like to proceed with this type of offering, but do need to know what the correct price is to charge.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you in advance.

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Just out of curiosity. What are people charging for compound mouldings?
 

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Seems to me what everyone is saying is true.. But, True in the areas and states you live in. You have to try and see what people are charging in your area. Prices definitely range from state to state. When I hang crown molding I've developed my own system that I'm able to hang it by myself. Where there's a will there's a way. Crown moulding ranges in prices depending on a few different things.

1) What type of moulding it is

2) How bad the corners are can make the difference of how much extra work is involved

3) Distance you have to travel from cut to where you're going to hang it.

4) The height of the ceiling

5) It would be more a foot for people that want you to hang the moulding around funiture especially a tall a$$ cabinet that you have to actually bend into to nail or touch up the moulding and how much you have to work around and move yourself.

6) I've been in homes that people want everything tarped ( including their mother-in-laws, but they want them ducktaped and dumped too;extra charge for that too hehehe)

My point is each job is different based on what is it worth to you and labor is labor. There's always a starting area, but where you finish your pricing is based on the job your on. Pricing also comes with talent. But just don't go to high cause then you border on ripping off. I mean you can have two house exactly the same that want exactly the same moulding. But, that doesn't mean they will be the same exact prices. Just consider your work area and what's involved. Especially if risk's are involved.

Nothing wrong with charging people low amounts, especially if you need money. So, if you charge low or realize you charged too low then level with whomever and tell them that you charged them a good rate because.....(whatever you want to tell them) then tell them it'll be a little more because of the workload. As long as you tell them before the work commences If you explain to make them realize that you originally gave them a break based on time and who they were and you fit them in your schedule. I'm not saying double what you originally charged them, just a little more based on how big the job actually is. If you develope a good relationship and the people like your work they will more then understand especially if they seen you putting in the work.
 

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I've developed a new technique I am charging by the pound. $5.50 per pound. MDF is lighter then wood which is good, helps with the paint grade vs stain grade, compound molding weighs more than single molding, so far it is working out well. Confusing the hell out of the homeowner who is now getting bids by the linear foot, me by the pound and the guys from Boulder who have the homeowner hold the molding up to the phone so they can see what kind of vibes they are getting.
 

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Very good Mike, now all you have to do is mist it with a little water overnight. LOL
I'm getting $5.00 a foot, prepped for up to 5 1/4". Compounds are priced on configuration. Painting falls into another catagory.
 

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I charge $1000 a day. 8-10 hours. I estimate how much time it will take me and go from there. I generally can hang 800 feet of crown (1 Piece) in about 4 hours. Then painting it takes the time. That is about 2-3 days. Total job takes about 4 days. Works out being Approx. $5.00 lineal foot.

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