Well, the good news is that he hasn't been paid in full. Most people who have a problem seem to be even worse off because the contractor has been paid. You need to let him know that you aren't happy, and you aren't paying him until you are. The very worst you should come out is paying for 1/2 of the cost of doing it the way you want it.gotjacked? said:
Contractor Installed Black&White Roof!
We hired a lisc. bonded contractor to put a roof on our home.
The home is an 1800 square feet ranch home, plus has a two car garage. Is not steep.
His crew of 7 guys tore off two layers of roof, laid plywood, and laid new roof all in 11 hours. This seems like an awfully short time to do a good job. What do you think?
More important though, is the fac that our roof is not BLACK AND WHITE. The roofer put slate grey roofing on most of the house, which we picked from a catalog that he gave us. BUT he put this ugly white looking stuff on our patio, and the white stuff goes up along the roof a bit too. It makes our house look like a shack!
We contacted the contractor and asked why our roof is two colors. His response was that with the roofing material we picked that white was his onlin option.
We said, look you told us to pick a color. We picked slate grey. You NEVER told us that our roof would be slate grey and white! We told you at the start that the house was being reroofed so that we can sell it. And, we told you that we wanted the patio to look nice - not with any ugly rubber or unmatching roofing.
His answer was that the contract did not specify that our roof would be one color - so basically tough crap for us.
I think that he should either:
A) Make our roof all matching AND make sure that our 30 year warantee still stands per our contract.
OR
B) Refund our money so that we can get another contractor to do the job right.
My Dad told me to call the contractors board.
What is your opinion on this. Is it reasonable for us as homeowners to expect one color roof? Does this guy have a leg to stand one? Is it reasonable for him to give us two different colors for our roof?
The home is an 1800 square feet ranch home, plus has a two car garage. Is not steep.
His crew of 7 guys tore off two layers of roof, laid plywood, and laid new roof all in 11 hours. This seems like an awfully short time to do a good job. What do you think?
More important though, is the fac that our roof is not BLACK AND WHITE. The roofer put slate grey roofing on most of the house, which we picked from a catalog that he gave us. BUT he put this ugly white looking stuff on our patio, and the white stuff goes up along the roof a bit too. It makes our house look like a shack!
We contacted the contractor and asked why our roof is two colors. His response was that with the roofing material we picked that white was his onlin option.
We said, look you told us to pick a color. We picked slate grey. You NEVER told us that our roof would be slate grey and white! We told you at the start that the house was being reroofed so that we can sell it. And, we told you that we wanted the patio to look nice - not with any ugly rubber or unmatching roofing.
His answer was that the contract did not specify that our roof would be one color - so basically tough crap for us.
I think that he should either:
A) Make our roof all matching AND make sure that our 30 year warantee still stands per our contract.
OR
B) Refund our money so that we can get another contractor to do the job right.
My Dad told me to call the contractors board.
What is your opinion on this. Is it reasonable for us as homeowners to expect one color roof? Does this guy have a leg to stand one? Is it reasonable for him to give us two different colors for our roof?
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In all seriousness - what warranty is he going to void? There are 3 warranties here, the material warranty with the manufacturer, which he has nothing to do with. If the installation was done to manufacturers specs that warranty is intact no matter what he wants to say. The other warranty is his labor warranty which I'm sure is not more than a year. Do you honestly think this guy would even honor his labor warranty with you after what you know of him? There is another warranty of merchantability which involves him doing an installation that is incorrect, that warranty has no time limit and he can do nothing to void it. The problem is getting him to honor it would mean a court battle.
All in all if you are going to be selling the house, who the hell cares about the warranty. The manufacturers warranty on the shingles is all that matters. If that was voided you would have to disclose to the buyers, it won't be voided as long as he did a proper installation and as far as you know at this point he did.
At this point if he is going to lein the property just take it before the court and let them decide. If the judge rules in your favor the lein will go away.
All in all if you are going to be selling the house, who the hell cares about the warranty. The manufacturers warranty on the shingles is all that matters. If that was voided you would have to disclose to the buyers, it won't be voided as long as he did a proper installation and as far as you know at this point he did.
At this point if he is going to lein the property just take it before the court and let them decide. If the judge rules in your favor the lein will go away.
What was the original colors of the roof? Were the porch and the house roof the same color before? That could be an important factor in the decision.
I would start digging into this guys history and see if he has other complaints or judgements.
I would start digging into this guys history and see if he has other complaints or judgements.
Well, I think the fact that both original roofs were the same color is a big plus for you.
On the flip side after looking at your pictures, the white roof on the porch doesn't look offensive to me at all, at least not at the distance they were taken in the picture. I have seen many, many houses that look identical to that. I don't see it taking any value or appeal away from your house when it comes to selling it.
On the flip side after looking at your pictures, the white roof on the porch doesn't look offensive to me at all, at least not at the distance they were taken in the picture. I have seen many, many houses that look identical to that. I don't see it taking any value or appeal away from your house when it comes to selling it.
My comments on the roof not looking bad are regardless of what you paint the house. Don't be offended, but by the looks of the house it looks about like an low to mid-priced home, not a higher end one. In my experience homes in that price range are not effected by stuff like this in the buyers mind near to the degree of the seller thinks they are.gotjacked? said:It's important to remember that we ordered a slate grey roof, and that when we repainting the house (to put on market) that it will not be blue and white. That means no white trim. That means the white roof will look really strange.
I'm going to change my take on it and would advise you to work out a deal with the contractor. It might not be the easiest thing to stomach and not right if viewed on shear principal, but getting him paid, avoiding the lein and the costs associated with removing it because you have a short time frame because you want to sell the house, will probably be less expensive. Paying a few hundred to get the roof color changed would be easier and just move on with it.
I'm sure you are going to be paying much closer attention to the painting contract you sign.
If I had known that from the beginning my advice would have been completely the opposite.gotjacked? said:Most of the homes in our neighborhood are selling within days. Naturally we are roofing, painting, landscaping, and staging to make sure that house shows at it's best and sells quickly.
I am personally extremely familiar with a market such as you are describing. If your home is located in a true sellers market you are trully barking up the wrong tree here. Homes in the market you are describing will sell - with the porch roof missing! I've been there, done that, seen it. Believe me, if you are truly in that market you are throwing your money away by putting it into the house, if you invest $20,000 rehabbing your home you won't raise the value of the house by $20,000, it doesn't work that way. You simply don't need to put major money into homes in a sellars market in order to get them to sell. They sell themselves.
I have witness over and over again typical scenarios such as, a seller lists his house for $200,000 that needs a new roof ($5,000) new carpet ($5000) and the deck needs to be rebuilt ($5000). Somebody looks at the house and says you need $15,000 worth of work, I will give you $185,000 for it. In your market the seller never takes it because he doesn't need to, the house sells for the $200,000 everytime, infact in that market the house usually would sell for $205,000. In a sellers market all you do is cheap cosmetic work, in a buyers market is when you have to spend money on major improvements just to get an offer.
What does all that mean? It means you are really, really, making this into more than it is. You may not have gotten what you wanted, you are probably 100% in the right, however, in reality that porch roof color is so irrelevant to selling your house, you should really consider what it is worth in the long run in regard to the mess you are about to go through and how much it is effecting the value of the house. You also might consider getting a new realtor if they have contributed to any of this in regard to advice on staging your house to sell.
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