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Collecting payment

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#1 ·
All this talk of contracts and collections has me curious on something. How many of you who have smaller companies do your own collections of payment?

My father-in-law believes that we should do a walk through with the homeowner the day the job is done and collect the payment from them right then and there, which is fine in a perfect world. My problem is with the way he wants past due accounts handled, which is basically the same way...showing up at the customers home until payment is remitted.

I've done collections for various local and national companies for many years, and disagree. Here's what my plan is: 1) if walk through proves job was completeded successfully, and bill has not been paid within 15-30 days past completion, a letter and invoice copy gets mailed to customer by the *office manager/accounts receivable rep*, just stating it's a friendly reminder that bill needs to be paid within 15-30 days......time passes, still unpaid.....another letter/invoice is mailed by office personnel, and they also make a phone call requesting that payment be made, or a payment plan be arranged by *** date or there will be a possibility of the bill being sent to collections. This goes on until bill is paid or a lien/collections action is placed, with further pressure being placed as time goes on.

My main 'thing' is that the salesman/owner/manager should not have anything to do with the collections process past the initial walk-through. (This only applies to businesses that aren't a 'one-man show',of course). I think it looks desperate to the customer, but mostly, I believe the customer will always retain the memory of that person being the 'bad guy', or hold such embarrassment that if they should need any further work done, they will avoid the 'offending' company forevermore, and might even bad mouth them to other potential customers. Thoughts?
 
#3 ·
Jhark, if you don't mind explaining your point o view, I would love to hear it..... I just find it so intrusive (and at times, almost goading, or enticing unusual behavior from a customer) to be constantly showing up at someone's house demanding payment.......and I honestly think that the time would be better suited selling new jobs. Oftentimes, my husband is stuck either hearing sob stories for one to two hours at a time, or constantly going over and over percieved 'imperfections' or 'problems' that aren't really there, yet customers keep insisting that this is the reason they won't pay. It can become a gigantic waste of time, with the outcome being outside collections, anyhow. I don't oppose stopping by after a few letters or making a personal call, but the salesperson making all collections calls or communications? It doesn't make sense to me.
 
#5 ·
"Oftentimes, my husband is stuck either hearing sob stories for one to two hours at a time, or constantly going over and over percieved 'imperfections' or 'problems' that aren't really there, yet customers keep insisting that this is the reason they won't pay."

For concentrated line of work like siding, windows, roofing, etc., I would write up a description of what you consider satisfactory. For fiber-cement: *** is end-gap, yyy is gap at trim, all cuts primed and painted, reveals within zzz consistancy. If the work the nit-picker is finding fault with is within your own (and on the contract) specification, case closed. For a GC, this is a much bigger task, but there are printed standards for many trades. Hubby has better things to do with his time.

Like listening to sob stories for a few minutes only. If he's in the trade to "help others" maybe those stories appeal to his chivalrous side. If to make a living, shorten his attention span. If people sign a contract agreeing to hire you, they have agreed to pay you for work done. If they aren't paying, but are whining, they are in breach and don't get my sympathy.

Jim
 
#6 ·
It's not my job to chase people for money they already agreed to pay. My contract states final payment is expected the day the job is completed. It's completed when I leave.

Like was stated above, why do you want to get out there and sell more non-paying jobs?

(Although, on 2nd thought, that leaves them more disposable income to hire ME for their next project & I'll be sure to get paid when I'm done.....Yeah, go ahead & keep your policy!)
 
#7 ·
I turn it over to my collections department (really just my sales guy). Let's say I sell a job and someone is late on payment, I have him go and handle it. If he sells the job, I go and handle the collection process.

It is easier for him to collect. A lot of people say "well you are the owner, you can change it". Yes, this is true but there is a reason why I wrote things that I did.

Yesterday, we go to collect a payment that is a day late. Actually, it is 11 days late but I have a 10 day grace period. Not until I sent a finance charge did he immediately respond with some "issues". My sales guy went there, knocked on the door and said "Hi I am here to fix the issues any grab the check, is it ready?" As soon as they said no, he said alright, "we will be back tomorrow to fix the issues regardless of if you have the check or not. If the check is ready, we will waive the $400.00 late fee, if not, it will have interest charged and after 30 days your property will be leined."


As I stated in another thread, it is funny how people are. Some people pay huge amounts before we are even finished. I have had a 19k and 13k payment before we are done. I have often had to fight to get 5 and 7k payments.

My contract clearly states (copy and pasted from contract)
1. Payment of Funds and Deposit: Owner hereby agrees to pay Company for the Work in cash equivalents, unless otherwise agreed upon in writing. Owner agrees to pay Company a deposit of 25% at the start of the execution of this Agreement, with the balance due upon Substantial Completion as defined herein. Substantial Completion shall mean if only certain minor items of Work are incomplete: the cost of those items may be withheld from the final payment at the Owner’s option until such items are completed. No jobs will be scheduled or started without a deposit without management approval. All payment made pursuant to this Agreement shall only be made to the Company. Additionally, when multiple projects fall under the terms of this Agreement, final payment for each project will made in full at the completion of each project.
2. Late Payment/ Service Charge: Any funds owed greater than 7 days beyond the Completion Date will be assessed a service charge of Four percent (4%) on the total contract amount and an additional 4% every 30 days thereafter.
 
#8 ·
I agree. In a larger firm (5 + people with a salesperson, admins, management and so forth) there is a step by step method -- much like terminating some one ---- i.e. a process.

1. The billing statement is late in payment -- 5 days, 10 days, 30 days.
2. A past due statement is sent, usually with note that states the consequences of late payment
3. After the past due statement is sent, and there is no response, then there is a direct phone call
---The phone is from either someone in admin or some one in billing. Not the salesperson ( who's job it is to sell ), not the contractor ( who is supposed to be doing the project/job). It is best to be done by someone who the client does not have a direct relationship with ( i.e. face to face, or, some other type of transaction)
4. After the phone call where you find out who actually pays the bills, another statement is sent out stating the facts of the phone call and whatever payment is arranged
5. If there is still no payment, then the client gets another phone call --- twice a week, once a week, but at least on a schedule.
6. Still no payment, let's say after the bill is 60 days past due, then a final demand letter is sent that states all the attempts at collection. A demand is stated that the bill must be paid in full by a precise date ---- otherwise it goes to collection, litigation or whatever.

I was involved in a lot of collection activity for many years prior to becoming a contractor. I made sure that I found out:
1. Who was responsible for paying the bills. I got their full name, direct phone number and whatever else I needed to get a hold of them without going through a circus of gatekeepers.
2. My payment demands were specific with precise due dates, types of payment that were acceptable, an exact check number of the payment check, and, a follow up call on the day that the check was supposed to be mailed.
3. Threats were real. No excuses, no pandering. If I didn't get a check in the due date's mail (after the final demand letter), then it all went to collection.

Contracts are good, but people still don't pay or they have found methods to delay or not pay the final bill. Some people and companies are really good at this and you need to beat them at their own game.

If you are a one or two man show, then all this is mute. You will have to be the collections dept ( along with the accounting dept, maintenance dept, management and so forth ).
 
#9 ·
Job finished, walk through, get paid is how it's supposed to work. If it doesn't work then something is not following the outline (contract) and you need to determine who or what.

First thing I would do is a quick review while in the clients presence and see if it was me or any representatives of our company. If not us, I have no problem pointing out that the contact states the client can with hold no more than 5% of the total pending resolution of any discrepancies once we are substantially complete. Under that clause there are no large balances to dangle and we aren't obligated to make any repairs until they meet that requirement.

We do have a delinquent client that owes a bit under 2k from a job 2 years ago. Every month the bookkeeper sends out an invoice with late fees added. Every now and then they send a check for an amount that just keeps them from sinking further. If this were my sole decision, we'd stop sending the invoices and forget about it. There are better things to concentrate on.

Good Luck
Dave
 
#12 ·
What is this world coming to...

You (OP) would complete a job, do a walkthrough, and not collect payment right then?

If I do a job, it is in every contract that payment is due upon completion of job. Not 5 days later, not 15 days, etc. Payment is due when services are rendered.

People hire a service to do work for them, and they don't want to pay when those services are complete? WTF.

If my company was giant, I would still expect payment the day the job was complete.

America is becoming a land of greedy, selfish, always wanting something-for-nothing people. If you give 'em an inch, they want a mile.

I think if you left the home on day of job completion, and didn't get payment, it might cause problems. Once you aren't in their face, they will take their sweet time. Then you call them, and get a sob story...

Just my $0.02

Peace.
 
#13 ·
My terms for all jobs are balance due in-full on the day of substantial completion.

For jobs that are larger and take a few weeks to complete, I collect a deposit before the job starts and a progress payment every week until the job is complete.

Each Thursday I send a notice to the client requesting a progress payment amount due the following day. I am the one that assesses the progress made on the project.

It has worked well for me.
 
#14 ·
Beanfacekilla said:
What is this world coming to...

You (OP) would complete a job, do a walkthrough, and not collect payment right then?

If I do a job, it is in every contract that payment is due upon completion of job. Not 5 days later, not 15 days, etc. Payment is due when services are rendered.

People hire a service to do work for them, and they don't want to pay when those services are complete? WTF.

If my company was giant, I would still expect payment the day the job was complete.

America is becoming a land of greedy, selfish, always wanting something-for-nothing people. If you give 'em an inch, they want a mile.

I think if you left the home on day of job completion, and didn't get payment, it might cause problems. Once you aren't in their face, they will take their sweet time. Then you call them, and get a sob story...

Just my $0.02

Peace.
:clap: !

Why have it any other way?

If a company is willing to mail, mail, mail, call, call, call, visit, visit, visit, visit or call the attorney, pay the attorney to write a letter, pay the attorney to file a lien, pay the sheriff to deliver the lien, etc., etc., that is just messed up! (See how stupid this looks written out? But it is what's been advocated above by some. What's even more stupid is tallying the actual $$ it costs in wages, material costs, etc. to do all that.)

Do the work!

Collect the payment the day the job's done.

Move the freak on!

Just a word of advice - set the expectation up front that the payment IS expected when you say and then collect it.

Most people will take as much rope as you'll allow them. Tell them a grace period, & they'll take it (& more, sometimes!) If you let them know you're serious about your $$, they'll usually comply.

Nuff said!