Hmmmm aybe I should call the chicago roofing contractor's association and see what they suggest. I'm not a member but maybe they will give me a straight answer anyways.

 

Never heard of it. When did they start that? Do you have a link for it?

 

Most licensing enforcement is done through a board or office charged also with issuing the license. Contact them. Failing that, contact the city prosecutor for an opinion.

My first impulse is always to go to the enforcing entity and get their judgement, in writing if possible, whenever there is a question.

 

Never heard of it. When did they start that? Do you have a link for it?

I don't know, nobody I talked to seems to know what I am talking about. The date on the form I was looking at was dated July 2005. Even on their website it's still vague, I don't know if applies only to businesses located IN chicago or businesses who rapair homes located in Chicago. http://egov.cityofchicago.org/city/...ffn.0&contentOID=536914138&contenTypeName=COC_EDITORIAL&topChannelName=HomePage I don't know if that's going to link.

That's the question nobody seems to know how to answer.

Most licensing enforcement is done through a board or office charged also with issuing the license. Contact them. Failing that, contact the city prosecutor for an opinion.

My first impulse is always to go to the enforcing entity and get their judgement, in writing if possible, whenever there is a question.

Ya'd think so huh? However when I contacted the email address supplied on the form I was looking at, I was referred to another department which was the zoning department of all things, then I was referred to the legal department for clarification... Nobody could (or would) help me.

 

That city will tax, impose inspection fees & license you to death!!! When I had my mfg. company (near Midway Airport), we had so many certificates hanging on the wall, it looked like we were friggin award winners of some kind!:laughing: Why, they even sent bills (auto pilot mail) for inspections that never even happened. So, this does not surprise me, Grumpy. From what I read in your article, it seems they want ANYONE, and EVERYONE, who takes jobs in the city (1-6 unit res.) to be licensed. Probably more to keep out the riff-raff GC-fly-by-night's who aren't what they say they are and in the favor of the legit guy. But, nonetheless, yet another way for City Hall to make a buck off of us.

 

4-204-140 Enforcement.

The commissioner of the department of consumer services shall enforce the provisions of this chapter. The department shall investigate citizen complaints regarding violations of the requirements of this chapter. The department shall maintain a roster of licensees and of all persons whose home repair license has been suspended or revoked within the previous year. (Coun. J. 12-9-92, p. 25465)

http://www.chicityclerk.com/legislation/codes/chapter4_204.html#010

Read it over carefully. Seems to be this is a limit on free trade. They require an estimate that shows parts and labor broken out.

http://egov.cityofchicago.org/city/webportal/portalDeptContactsAction.do?BV_SessionID=@@@@0736247236.1153410491@@@@&BV_EngineID=cccdaddigflllhgcefecelldffhdffn.0&topChannelName=Dept&entityType=Dept&entityName=Consumer+Services&deptMainCategoryOID=0
Contact informaion for this department

good luck:sad:

 

That first link is exactly the link I was looking for but could not find. Thanks much.

Read it over carefully. Seems to be this is a limit on free trade. They require an estimate that shows parts and labor broken out.

4-204-080 Written estimates--Costs enumerated.
A person engaged in the business of home repairs shall furnish to the customer a written estimate of repairs which shall state the total estimated cost of; (a) Parts listed with reasonable particularity and identified by brand name or equivalent; (b) Labor; (c) Incidental services; and (d) Charges, if any, for making such estimates. (Coun. J. 12-9-92, p. 25465)

I may be wrong but my interpretation is not that I need to break out a price for parts and labor but that I must detail the parts to be used.

It says to "state the total cost of" then it gives sub categories so in my unlegal opinion a total lcost doesn't mean a break down... I could totally be wrong legal jargon sometimes throws me, however this is almost plain english.

 

You're most welcome, Grumpy. I'm always happy to help.

I may be wrong but my interpretation is not that I need to break out a price for parts and labor but that I must detail the parts to be used.

It says to "state the total cost of" then it gives sub categories so in my unlegal opinion a total lcost doesn't mean a break down... I could totally be wrong legal jargon sometimes throws me, however this is almost plain english.

"Almost" being the key word here. Talk to them, ask them their opinion and failing that, let your lawyer look it over. If he feels can defend your way of doing business, then carry on.

 

I have talked to them, nobody seems to know anything. My lawyer is the next step but that's $$$

 

A penny saved is a penny earned, but an ounce of prevention is worth $200.00 per day for every job you've ever done in the city.

 

Well Grumpy, have I been unknowingly breaking the law in Chicago?

What have you found out?

 

You're not just breaking Chicago's rules, you're violating State law, roofing is one of the few trades that requires a license issued by the Department of Regulations, sounds like you've been lucky so far but you might think about getting the license, first offense Class A misdemeanor. On conviction of a second or subsequent offense the violator is guilty of a Class 4 felony. I'm surprised you never had a problem I'm in the western suburbs and they always check the roofers for a license, there's a check box on the permit application for it.



Here's a little from the Illinois State Statute and a link to the full Statute

PROFESSIONS AND OCCUPATIONS
(225 ILCS 335/) Illinois Roofing Industry Licensing Act.

(225 ILCS 335/1) (from Ch. 111, par. 7501)
(Section scheduled to be repealed on January 1, 2016)
Sec. 1. Legislative purpose. It is hereby declared to be the public policy of this State that, in order to safeguard the life, health, property, and public welfare of its citizens, the business of roofing construction, reconstruction, alteration, maintenance and repair is a matter affecting the public interest, and any person desiring to obtain a license to engage in the business as herein defined shall be required to establish his or her qualifications to be licensed as herein provided.
(Source: P.A. 90?55, eff. 1?1?98.)



(225 ILCS 335/9.8) (from Ch. 111, par. 7509.8)
(Section scheduled to be repealed on January 1, 2016)
Sec. 9.8. Any person who is found to have violated any provision of this Act is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor. On conviction of a second or subsequent offense the violator is guilty of a Class 4 felony. Each day of violation constitutes a separate offense.
(Source: P.A. 89?387, eff. 1?1?96.)


Link to Illinois State Statute

http://ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/il...me=PROFESSIONS+AND+OCCUPATIONS&ActName=Illinois+Roofing+Industry+Licensing+Act.


Here's the link to the Illinois Department of Regulations site that has a lot more info about roofing contractors and a study guide for the license a well as the rules.
http://www.idfpr.com/dpr/who/roof.asp

 

Dude, did you read anywhere in my profile or on this site that I am a roofer?

Did you read the entire thread?
(there is no way in hell you did)

Or is it, you like to type before you comprehend what you are reading?

What, you think you are going to come in here and say, "You are violating State Laws!" and think that someone who hasn't been in the trades for longer then two days would not know that law?

Get down off of your pedestal and read the entire thread, then respond to it (only if you have read the entire thread).

 

Peladu,

I did read the entire thread, I wasn't referring to you. The way a message board works is someone makes a post and then people reply to the first post, if they are talking with someone that has responded within the post they usually address it to them like I did at the top of this mesage. The "Peladu," means I'm talking to you. I was referring to and responding to the post if you start at the top and specifically:

"It was brought to my attention that I might be breaking the law. In Chicago a "home repair license" might be requires for quite a few trades actually, and one of them being roofing."

"Hmmmm aybe I should call the chicago roofing contractor's association and see what they suggest. I'm not a member but maybe they will give me a straight answer anyways."

"Chicago Gutters Chicago Roofing"

You can clearly see that my response addresses roofers, and if you're not a roofer why would you care. I think it's very useful info, I'm not trying to bust somebody, and it might save someone's ass.

Kevin

And I'm know Gumpy has a state license, his company did my girlfriend's aunts house, quite nicely I might add.

 

Peladu,

I did read the entire thread, I wasn't referring to you.

It's easy to see where Peladu thought you were talking to him, - - just look at the 'dates' . . .

The best way to avoid confusion is to 'quote' the post you are referring to when you're answering one directly.

Just my 2 cents.

 

mickey,
Thanks for the Message Board 101 class.
I enjoyed it, it was not only full of new information but also comical.



Thanks Tom:thumbsup:

 

I should say that my thought was that the post was mostly about roofing and I did get the impression that someone might be operating without a State license. The last house I built in Chicago was 2 years ago and their requirement was only an Illinois roofer's license.

Peladu,

I see from your picture you are a lot younger than me so I can understand why you're not as knowledgeable about message boards. "I enjoyed it, it was not only full of new information but also comical." I charge for my performances, you owe me ten bucks, cash only.

Kevin

 

I will pay you as soon as my mom and dad give me my allowance for the month.
:laughing:


Grumpy, still wondering what you found out.

Did you have to deal with The Peoples Republic of Chicago?

 

You're not just breaking Chicago's rules, you're violating State law, roofing is one of the few trades that requires a license issued by the Department of Regulations, sounds like you've been lucky so far but you might think about getting the license, first offense Class A misdemeanor. On conviction of a second or subsequent offense the violator is guilty of a Class 4 felony. I'm surprised you never had a problem I'm in the western suburbs and they always check the roofers for a license, there's a check box on the permit application for it.



Here's a little from the Illinois State Statute and a link to the full Statute

PROFESSIONS AND OCCUPATIONS
(225 ILCS 335/) Illinois Roofing Industry Licensing Act.

(225 ILCS 335/1) (from Ch. 111, par. 7501)
(Section scheduled to be repealed on January 1, 2016)
Sec. 1. Legislative purpose. It is hereby declared to be the public policy of this State that, in order to safeguard the life, health, property, and public welfare of its citizens, the business of roofing construction, reconstruction, alteration, maintenance and repair is a matter affecting the public interest, and any person desiring to obtain a license to engage in the business as herein defined shall be required to establish his or her qualifications to be licensed as herein provided.
(Source: P.A. 90?55, eff. 1?1?98.)



(225 ILCS 335/9.8) (from Ch. 111, par. 7509.8)
(Section scheduled to be repealed on January 1, 2016)
Sec. 9.8. Any person who is found to have violated any provision of this Act is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor. On conviction of a second or subsequent offense the violator is guilty of a Class 4 felony. Each day of violation constitutes a separate offense.
(Source: P.A. 89?387, eff. 1?1?96.)


Link to Illinois State Statute

http://ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/il...me=PROFESSIONS+AND+OCCUPATIONS&ActName=Illinois+Roofing+Industry+Licensing+Act.


Here's the link to the Illinois Department of Regulations site that has a lot more info about roofing contractors and a study guide for the license a well as the rules.
http://www.idfpr.com/dpr/who/roof.asp

I have an unlimited state roofing license. Feel free to look it up. That wasn't the topic of this discussion though. I am talking about an entirely different license by the city of Chicago for "home repairs" NOT the state for roofing.

I have found out nothign to spite my efforts! Nobody can help me. Nobody knows what the F they are doing in the City of Chicago, it seems. Short answer" Nobody knows.

 

Grumpy,
I know you're licensed (your company did work at my girlfriend's aunts house), I mistakenly got the impression that some where talking about roofing with out a license. I worked with O'Halloran construction on several houses in Chicago and their only requirement (as we were told by the city) was an Illinois State license, hence I thought no license meant no State license, I have never heard of a Chicago roofers license. I thought about deleting the post but I think it's good info for handyman services etc. that are thinking (there are some unlicensed ones offering roofing around here) of offering roofing services.

Kevin

 

Grumpy,
I know you're licensed (your company did work at my girlfriend's aunts house),

Are you serious? Small world Huh? Was she satisified with our services?

I worked with O'Halloran construction on several houses in Chicago and their only requirement (as we were told by the city) was an Illinois State license, hence I thought no license meant no State license, I have never heard of a Chicago roofers license. I thought about deleting the post but I think it's good info for handyman services etc. that are thinking (there are some unlicensed ones offering roofing around here) of offering roofing services.

Kevin

It's actually called the "home repair" license. I really think it is more of a category of business license for businesses located withiin the city. Almost every city does require some sort of business license, and I think this is simply a classification.

 

Are you serious? Small world Huh? Was she satisified with our services?

Grumpy

Yeah, she has a house, in Glenview or Morton Grove (I'm not sure which, it's near the border) and as usual they always call me with all their home repair problems, she had your company's name and one other one and asked me which one to use, like I would know, anyhow I told her to check for a state license and make sure they have insurance. She chose you and she was pleased with the work.
I actually until a few years ago used to live up in Park Ridge and Skokie prior to that. I miss that area, Good'n Fresh & Pinocchio?s Pizza, can't get a good pizza in Dupage.


Never heard of the "home repair" license in Chicago, so I've probably broken the law myself. I do have a registered business name with the Secretary of State (different business, but home repair, home sales etc. are listed in the incorporation). I think most small jobs in Chicago are done without permits because the City is such a pain in the ass. I used to subcontract and work for Abt all over Chicago and they do, electric, plumbing, gas lines etc. and most (probably all) of the guys working there don't have any licenses (electric, plumbing), nor do they get permits or inspections. It's funny how the little guys are the ones getting screwed in Chicago. I haven't worked in Chicago for some time now and the only thing I miss is the food (a Super Dawg on the way home).

Kevin

 

I'm right up in Glenview and I am pleased she was pleased.

 

Email Eugene Schulter 47th Ward Alderman. He is the head of the License committee in the City Council. He would know.

ward47@cityofchicago.org