Sounds like not charging enough is attracting the wrong type of clientele and change orders need to be paid when signed.
I don't agree to charging up front for change orders, but you shouldn't start the work on them until they are signed for.Sounds like not charging enough is attracting the wrong type of clientele and change orders need to be paid when signed.
In 34 years I have never used a change order it was a recommendation to the OP.I don't agree to charging up front for change orders, but you shouldn't start the work on them until they are signed for.
Every time you do a change order, it should reflect the total contract price including; the base price, any prior change orders agreed to, this latest change order all adding up to the current project total price. Then get is signed off on.
I don’t understand what you said. You have never had a change of scope in 34 years? Or you have never gotten prior approval.In 34 years I have never used a change order it was a recommendation to the OP.
I don’t understand what you said. You have never had a change of scope in 34 years? Or you have never gotten prior approval.
I have never used one many of my jobs I'd be using one or more per day. I don't even give an estimate it just gets done and I have never not been paid.I don’t understand what you said. You have never had a change of scope in 34 years? Or you have never gotten prior approval.
That's more a turn of phrase than an actual ambition (well, at least for most folks). Obviously, the other side of that coin is that if you're the cheapest guy in town, you're either providing substandard service or leaving a lot of money on the table. If the latter, that's fine if you can afford to do that, but it's still going to leave you with less toys & fun at the end of the day/career.Why do you want to be the most expensive guy in town?
When it comes to change orders, it's all in the communication... when you sign the contract, you have a typical draw schedule based on your needs, and this usually covers the costs at each phase of the project... if you explain upfront that any Change Order that's needed once the project has started onsite will require 100% payment for the Change Order to fund the actual changes in the contract... otherwise, you are put in the position of funding it, and you're not a bank... it puts both the issue of what it costs and the payment to rest for both you and the customer, and there is no back loading of what is owed...Thanks for the comments guys, I'm learning a few things for sure. I definitely like the part of being able to use texts and emails instead of a signed sheets.
We fix houses. I get where your coming from but that is not me in the least. I'm always clean cut. my work rig is a little older 2012 ram 3500 longhorn bought brand new, well taken care of and low mileage. I also have a 16' enclosed trailer that 100% matches the truck. It is a very nice rig if I do say so myself. I'm not happy being a bottom feeder type. I know there are tons of guys lower priced then me. in fact I dont even know how they get by. I make 3-500 a day 5 days a week. I guess the other thing for me is that I don't feel I can charge more because I don't have the bills that other shops have. The only thing I pay for as a business expense out of my pocket is really insurance and fuel. all materials get covered by the job. My 30x50 shop is on my property, no rent to pay. I only heat it when I working in there.
Just curious. Why do you want to be the most expensive guy in town?
I hate losing to competition. By setting myself up the way I have. I feel like I can give better value to a customer. I make money, They save some money. everyone is happy.
I'm just having a hell of a time getting paid for extras
Thanks for the comments guys, I'm learning a few things for sure. I definitely like the part of being able to use texts and emails instead of a signed sheets.
We fix houses. I get where your coming from but that is not me in the least. I'm always clean cut. my work rig is a little older 2012 ram 3500 longhorn bought brand new, well taken care of and low mileage. I also have a 16' enclosed trailer that 100% matches the truck. It is a very nice rig if I do say so myself. I'm not happy being a bottom feeder type. I know there are tons of guys lower priced then me. in fact I dont even know how they get by. I make 3-500 a day 5 days a week. I guess the other thing for me is that I don't feel I can charge more because I don't have the bills that other shops have. The only thing I pay for as a business expense out of my pocket is really insurance and fuel. all materials get covered by the job. My 30x50 shop is on my property, no rent to pay. I only heat it when I working in there.
Just curious. Why do you want to be the most expensive guy in town?
I hate losing to competition. By setting myself up the way I have. I feel like I can give better value to a customer. I make money, They save some money. everyone is happy.
I'm just having a hell of a time getting paid for extras
that sounds a bit like me. that's why I'm here. willing to learn from guys that have been around the block a few times. I would like this company to succeed and have something I can leave to my kids or whatever. Looks like I have some business practices to change.Why do customers think they don't owe or can negotiate at pay time ?
Me, on occasion -- I'll say I'll do this, I'll do that ---it's approx this amt...they say ok but "I" have not not done a proper change order....,So 6 weeks later it's a foggy situation, whatever they pay, I'll take it --- let's move on ? Maybe this is you ?
Not now 98% of the time. First charge more..to cover this sh*t..Say I'll work up the price for you...etc.
I just got off the phone with a customer tried to work me around... I didn't even give any attn to his line of inquiry -- All approved as written. Credit to these forums since 2006...
***Whoops -- I see you said they're fixated on the beginning number.