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I've installed 2000 square feet of clear fir flooring, as well as custom fir newel posts, railings. stair treads, and risers in my new home. I have never finished a wood floor before, and would like some advice. I have done a lot of research on the topic. And I would like to apply 1 coat of Bona prime classic, followed by 2 coats of Bona traffic HD.
I plan to use the Bona roller for the floors, A shur-line pad for the treads and flats of newels, and a good brush for the rest.
I Don't know which sheen to go with.
Anyone used traffic HD on Fir?
How about railing and posts? does it work well vertical?
 

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its finish ,of course it works well on rails post etc.
its all how to apply it.

im gonna let you in on a little secret..Traffic ain't all that and HD stands for Highly Doubtful its any better than the original.

do oil based or an oil finish..you will be glad you did
 

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Compared to Traffic, every oil modified product on the market is crap. Using a roller is the easiest way to apply Traffic. Then again, it's a good way to put on oil modified stuff too. Just remember that there's no color in Traffic. It won't turn the wood yellow. If you want that look, you'll have to make it happen before you apply Traffic. They have a product called Amberseal that does a pretty good job of mimicking that yellowed oil look.
 

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BTW: Traffic is for floors. Putting it on vertical surfaces is a tremendous waste of money, and it'll run right off anyway. Waterborne finish is...watery. Mega would be a better choice for vertical surfaces. You can put it on really thin and it will still work.
 

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Compared to Traffic, every oil modified product on the market is crap. Using a roller is the easiest way to apply Traffic. Then again, it's a good way to put on oil modified stuff too. Just remember that there's no color in Traffic. It won't turn the wood yellow. If you want that look, you'll have to make it happen before you apply Traffic. They have a product called Amberseal that does a pretty good job of mimicking that yellowed oil look.
ahhh Bona got you..you're one of their drones.
 

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I figured it would be easier to finish everything with one product. Kind of like painting a house 1 color. No taping or separation of finishes.
The people that replied negatively are the only negative comments I've read about this stuff.
What is bad about it?
I know water based stuff is BAD for old school guys. My uncle has been tiling for 30+ years very successfully. He claims Quartzlock grout is horrible. I used it, and will never use the old stuff again. Hopefully this is the same!
 

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I figured it would be easier to finish everything with one product. Kind of like painting a house 1 color. No taping or separation of finishes.
The people that replied negatively are the only negative comments I've read about this stuff.
What is bad about it?
I know water based stuff is BAD for old school guys. My uncle has been tiling for 30+ years very successfully. He claims Quartzlock grout is horrible. I used it, and will never use the old stuff again. Hopefully this is the same!
I have no prejudice against water-based finishes. My home is done with StreetShoe, and I like it.

It's pretty much all the same stuff in the end, but floor finishes are thinner and achieve buildup by thicker application than you can get to stay on a vertical surface. The wear agents in floors (especially the high-wear flavors such as HD) reduce the clarity of the finish, which is acceptable on a floor, maybe less so on finish carpentry. Why do that if you don't have to? Water-born finishes have time windows for multiple coatings, that you need to pay attention to, else later coats won't burn in properly. That's easy for 2 or 3 coats on the floor, maybe a PITA for more coats on the finishes.

Most people wouldn't paint a house 1 color and 1 sheen, either.
 

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Ive been painting floors for ten years. I hate doing a waterbased sealer. I always get some laps and tannin pull. Ive never found a product worse in this regard than bona amberseal.

Ive tried rollling water and it never worked for me. Tbar and small 1.50 paint pad.

To the op. The finish you need decreases after each coat as pores in the wood get filled. You will probably use all of yiur sealer. By the time you get to your final you will get 700 feet to the gallon. You will probably have four gallons traffic left over.
 

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I figured it would be easier to finish everything with one product. Kind of like painting a house 1 color. No taping or separation of finishes.
The people that replied negatively are the only negative comments I've read about this stuff.
What is bad about it?
I know water based stuff is BAD for old school guys. My uncle has been tiling for 30+ years very successfully. He claims Quartzlock grout is horrible. I used it, and will never use the old stuff again. Hopefully this is the same!
Nothing being negative. It's a good finish. Certainly not the best. That's the marketing to Bona which they do very well at.

You don't have to spend so much to get a quality application.
I've used it plenty as I did Street shoe trek and many more that was the "best"

Its all hype. They do perform but I have seen more oil floors stand up far greater over time.

Thats all folks
 

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Here's my thoughts, take them FWIW -

Bona makes excellent products, however I don't like the look of any waterbourne finishes. Too 'Plastic' looking to me. Amberseal gives you more of an oil look, but can be a PITA on natural floors (lap marks). WB is great because its very durable and you can 2nd/3rd/4th coat the same day.

If I was finishing a natural Fir floor I would use oil-based. I think it would give it a richer color. If it was stained (I wouldn't stain fir, but HO's want what they want :laughing:), I would use Amberseal 1st, then 2-3 coats of regular Traffic (I think this HD stuff is all hype IMO).

If I was doing the floor in WB, I would do the vertical surfaces (trim) in Amberseal (1st), then Mega (2 & 3). Mega builds good, but it's softer. I just built a little end table for my wife, out of pine, and used Mega on it and it looks great.

One other thing - I've used Traffic on many houses (including my own) and this chit is durable. Damn, I sound like a Bona rep :eek:. They need to send me a CHECK :laughing:
 

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ahhh Bona got you..you're one of their drones.

Only a deluded person would claim that any oil modified finish is close to as hard as Bona Traffic. The only thing oil has going for it is that any monkey can apply it, and it looks the way American consumers expect finish to look.

BTW, Bona also sells oil modified finish.
 

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ahhh Bona got you..you're one of their drones.

Only a deluded person would claim that any oil modified finish is close to as hard as Bona Traffic. The only thing oil has going for it is that any monkey can apply it, and it looks the way American consumers expect finish to look.

BTW, Bona also sells oil modified finish.
Looks good and easy to apply. Sounds like money made to me.

Im going to do my floors in traffic next. See how it does. Used glitsa infinity 2 last year and it needs to be redone. The oil that was down before was probably twenty years old.
 

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ahhh Bona got you..you're one of their drones.

Only a deluded person would claim that any oil modified finish is close to as hard as Bona Traffic. The only thing oil has going for it is that any monkey can apply it, and it looks the way American consumers expect finish to look.

BTW, Bona also sells oil modified finish.

OK Oz

Hardness does not the good finish make
 

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ahhh Bona got you..you're one of their drones.

Only a deluded person would claim that any oil modified finish is close to as hard as Bona Traffic. The only thing oil has going for it is that any monkey can apply it, and it looks the way American consumers expect finish to look.

BTW, Bona also sells oil modified finish.
I guess I'm just a monkey. I know Fabulon doesn't fall into the oil modified category, but I'll put it up agains street shoe or traffic any day of the week for longevity & it damn sure makes wood look 100 times better than any water borne finish. They do nothing to bring out the richness & depth of quality wood.

I'm with the others who suggested using an oil finish on the fir.
 

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The OP has made his decision, but I can't resist chiming in. If you just wanted a tough finish, you could just rough sand the floor and pour two part epoxy over it. The point being is that isn't the prettiest finish. I've used Bona and traditional oil, and if I'm trying to make a floor look like it has a fine furniture finish, I use oil. If it's purely a functional thing, I'll go Bona - I use it more and more, but not in the houses with 100+ year old hardwood floors.
 

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I really like the look of traditional oil finished floors. I live in Astoria, Oregon. There are a lot of businesses downtown with original 100+ year old fir floors in them. That is my favorite look.
The problem is my 3 kids! Age 6, 3, and a baby. Plus we want to get a dog. I want a HARD finish. I don't want it to look like laminate flooring either. I'm going to do a lot of testing before I finish anything. If traffic HD does not work out on the vertical, I'll try mega.
Chevy 2500 HD sounds way cooler than Chevy 2500. Bona does have the AD business squared away.
 

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I really like the look of traditional oil finished floors. I live in Astoria, Oregon. There are a lot of businesses downtown with original 100+ year old fir floors in them. That is my favorite look.
The problem is my 3 kids! Age 6, 3, and a baby. Plus we want to get a dog. I want a HARD finish. I don't want it to look like laminate flooring either. I'm going to do a lot of testing before I finish anything. If traffic HD does not work out on the vertical, I'll try mega.
Chevy 2500 HD sounds way cooler than Chevy 2500. Bona does have the AD business squared away.
Does Oregon have VOC restrictions on finish? If not, I'd strongly recommend finding a distributor that will ship you Fubulon heavy duty floor finish. For longevity, I'll put it up against any catalyzed waterborne for durability & you'll get a traditional oil finished look. Actually, if you buy the heavy duty black label line, it'll bring out even more richness & depth in the wood than traditional oil. Something added to the finish makes it purple in the can, rather than amber. You don't get that real yellow look with this finish.

You can also use it on the rest of your wood work with no problem. It's very heavy bodied. Almost to the point of molasses when it's cold.
 
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