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I am just curious how you guys do it. As the framing subcontractor, do you include materials? I have hardly ever done this in 25 years ,but I know things are different in different parts of the country. There is one outfit in this area that seems to be getting a big part of what work there is here that furnishes the whole package. Just curious
 

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The only thing I ever supplied on a framing job is labor and gun nails. There were a few builders who asked me to bid jobs including material, but I stayed plenty busy without offering that service.
In this area, framers are responsible for framing, sheathing and installation of windows and exterior doors. I'd never float that kind of capital to finance someone elses project.:no:
 

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The only time I provide materials is when I do an insurance job. I have no idea why the contractor doesn't provide them, but who knows. If the job is large I get a deposit the covers the cost of materials. On residential framing jobs, I provide gun nails and all crane expenses. Everybody around here has done it this way for at least 30 years.
 

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No way would I supply materials for the job. That is way too much liability sitting in the driveway. Unless they want to pay a premium for it.

Or I have thought of this many, many times before. Prefab or precut everything at your shop. That way no materials are left on the site.

What I supply is labor and tools. Materials for the job that are supplied by the GC include wood, hangers, sill seal, nuts, washers, glue, typar, doors, windows and nails. Materials are precisely that....materials.

If I want to have a Lull, that's on my tab, not the GC's. We are fortunate here that the lumber trucks come with boom lifts and they are willing to send it up to the second floor for us. Boom trucks for trusses are supplied by the GC.
 

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Man if the GC was paying for the crane I would have him there every week! Do you only use the crane to set roof trusses? On some of our bigger jobs we have had the crane there 5 or 6 times. I remember years ago we had a house with a 5000 sq ft pool room complete with church type beams. We had to have two cranes there that day.
Does the Contractor ever complain that your crane time was excessive?
 

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All home builders or GC's complain about crane costs. Personally I think that's too bad! I am not ever going to lift a truss by hand again!:thumbsup:
 

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All my proposals include all labor, any air driven fasteners, setting of all beams, steel or wood, and
setting of trusses if spec'd-I have 2 JCB loadalls, if they can't handle the load, I include crane rental as a part of my bid as well.
We also include exterior sheathing, housewrap, setting all exterior windows and doors, and taping them.

All materials are provided by GC
 

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I am seeing more and more of this. I think it is as much a factor of GC's being in a credit crunch as anything.
 

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Warren, I get the crane once for trusses. Beyond that, it's my money. If a GC complains about the time on the jobsite, it ain't me that's going slow, it's the crane operator. You and I have both seen great operators and pathetic ones. The good ones get the job done and save you money along with the GC.

Here, we get the boom truck to set individual trusses for however long we need it. When I lived in WA state, the boom came from the truss company and they set the trusses on top of our walls laying flat. 2 hours max and they were gone.

The lumber trucks around here have the fork booms like the sheetrock companies have. It's luxury. "Here...put that lift of studs right here"
 

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For a framing job we bid labor and overhead and thats it. We set steel, run floor systems, decking, walls, wall sheathing, roof sheathing, tyvek set windows and exterior doors. We have a gradall lift so no crane needed round here.

If were not GC then we have everything supplied, sub floor adhesive, nuts, bolts, hand drive nails, shooters, c02 cardridges, gun oil, you name it..

Anything that is not supplied and needs to be used gets back charged such as a generator ect.
 

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I'm framing a house for a guy who previously owned a crane company. He still owns two cranes. Let me tell you it was very nice not having to worry about crane times, because it is on the job the entire time. Setting the wall sections, trusses, any beams that need set, plywood while roof sheathing. He even picked his versa handler out of the foundation hole with his crane, after using it to bore a 24" hole out the side of the hill he's on for drainage.


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Framerman,

I always have them help me set the girder trusses, they have never had a problem with that. I've never tried for individual trusses, maybe I'll see next time :)
 

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we pay for all our own material. we also mark it up. I usually have the GC pay for boom, lifts or cranes. I prefer being in control of our material and making a profit on it.
 

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I get just about everything delivered by one of those trucks.
The lumber yard is one block away too!!
That is always nice.. We always use the same lumber yard so they stop out about 15 to 20 times a week so if we need something it gets there quick ;)
 

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Almost always the framer supplies just labor, not material. Although one framing company I worked for was also a lumber yard, so they supplied their own materials. Except I don't know if they asked for the money up front on materials or not.
 
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