man that video was pitiful.he was worried about being fast and didn't even know his job.Take the gun out of his hand.give him a hammer and pay him by the sq.dollar per nail that's missing.he'll learn.
these lazy ass kids get a gun think they are roofers and fast.I'd make that kid cry with the ole speed hatchet.freeking pitiful.slow down and do it right.then you get fast.
I'd never let that kid shingle with a gun.
but what do I know I'm some 14 yr old kid.

 

I didn't post the vid or say I could do a bundle in 60 secs.
with gloves on.

 

This doesn't have anything to do with wearing gloves,but does have to do with nailing speed so I'd thought I'd throw it into the ring to see who comes out on each side of this opinion:


Do you thing the direction a roof is laid right to left or left to right increases or decreases speed?

 

This doesn't have anything to do with wearing gloves,but does have to do with nailing speed so I'd thought I'd throw it into the ring to see who comes out on each side of this opinion:


One thing I noticed in that video is that he is right handed and working his courses left to right.
If he worked his courses the other direction (right to left) he'd shouldn't have to lay his gun down to grab shingles, or wouldn't have to reach across his whole body to grab the next shingle.
I always (being right handed) work right to left.
The shingles are stacked to my left,next to my left hand,where they are easier to grab.

Same here, but I've had to learn to become ambidextrous roofing (yet, I can't do it anywhere else). I'm a rightee too and of course prefer to work from left to right. Makes sense to me...like reading a book. Personally, I rack them (not stack them). Which leads to my next thread idea!

:thumbsup:

 

2ndGen
You answered before I edited so it will hard to retract my original quote,but,to correct myself:
He's not actually reaching across his body to grab his next shingle,but I've tried his method and it doesn't feel comfortable to me at all.
I think it has something to do with the stance.

 

Yep. When I've stacked them, instead of reaching up to get the shingle, I grab it by the lower corner and tug on them with a quick flick of my left wrist to the right...it places the shingle right where I want it.

One quick movement. And it's "Flick! Ptiss! Ptiss! Ptiss Ptiss!"

:laughing:

His gun sounds anemic. Sounds like it needs the O-Rings replaced. It seems to be cycling twice on each nail after the first nail so it sounds like he's installing 6 nails instead of 4.

Here's a video of a guy who's fast, but who consistantly places the nails to far in from the edge of the shingle. Plus, he doesn't have a good rythm yet either. I dont' know why it's so difficult. I got my rythm the first day I used a gun. I guess it's like dancing. Some have that natural rythm, some don't. I hate to see guys fumble on a roof. An occasional fumble is ok, but to consistantly figit around and drop things and mess up, it's ugly!

 

I get thirsty just watching these guys work.

I don't know what it is about roofing,but I have to keep a jug of water handy even if it's still cool weather.

He's pretty fast but(IMO) waisting time every time he drops his gun or lifts the end of the shingle.

Here's a video of a guy who's fast, but who consistantly places the nails to far in from the edge of the shingle:
Either his legs are too short to get a good stance for his swing or he's in way too much of a hurry.lousy nailing pattern.

Hey.
Where's his gloves?

 

:laughing: Gloves? He can't even work right, how can you expect him to use gloves?

 

Drops the gun EVERY time.

 

That aggravates me when I look at it. Makes no darn sense.

 

Slows progress. Wears out installer. Destroys gun sooner. Mildly damages newly installed 3-tab. Stresses air-line..........

Remember..........I am a "once-was" torch-man and I have not touched a 3 or Architectural since 2002. So who am I to say anything?

 

One unncessary move repeated 15,000 times a day...do the math.

 

2ndGen, you claim to know so much and do so much, but you still rack shingles straight up? That's a big no no.

 

Seen MANY a great job of Racking. Stacking PREVENTS, if done correctly, the compounding of a single mistake. It is a process for the not-so-precise Roofer.

Racking is quite alright if you really know how to "sling the shing".

Just MHO!!!

A staggered stack procedure IS much safer, but unnecessary.

 

My thoughts exactly. :thumbsup: Stacking is the "safe" way to roof and is great for Roofers with less experience and for experienced Roofers who prefer to roof that way. And they wouldn't get a debate from me. To each his own.

It all depends on the man with the shingle in his hand.

 

Unnessary?If you consider your shingle warranty unnessary

 

If you "tuck" every other one , it is the same.

 

I will assume that you have a valid point. It has been a while. I really should not even comment.


POST SCRIPT: I thought that this was a Glove Thread???? How we do stray!

 

I was just wondering what you meant by tuck every other one in?

 

You butt one the next one you lift and tuck. You butt one the next you lift and tuck. Watch the videos.

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by A W Smith
laminates I do this way

Quote:
Originally Posted by A W Smith
three tabs I do this way

That is EXACTLY the argument!!! Looks quite correct to me.

 

ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!


So what are the best roofing gloves??????

 

Youngstown Roofer's Plus Heavy Utility

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The is a versatille, fullfinger work glove made for abrasive tasks.

-Extensive asphalt reinforcement
-Full finger reinforcement
-Durable nylon fouchettes
-Internal knuckle protection
-Supportive FlexMesh™ cuff

Also available with cut finger tips:

 

The best roofing gloves are your bare hands!!:thumbup:

 

lol,got to love rookies.still worried about their pretty little hands and not getting the job done.

 

Shut up Gollum! :laughing::laughing::laughing:

This is why "you" need gloves!

 

you are wrong man.racking is not an acceptable installation method.if you were the kind of contractor that put warranty roofs on a rep would of let you know by now.

 

Well said 2nd gen!!

 

Read the new MSA book. It specifically says not to rack laminate shingles. I just read it 20 minutes ago. Just spoke with the Rep the other day at a 'invite only' meeting with Certainteed. This is the info. They have denied claims because of racking.

 

I have the latest [Eight Edition] MSA Manual (just got it a few days ago). I found no where that states that racking is "not" allowed or that stacking is the "only" approved method.

I'm not debating what you're stating, but I'm just telling you what I "didn't" find (my rep is out...been trying to get him for a few weeks now).

Tell me what page you see that it forbids racking or states that only stacking is the approved method. Maybe I'm just not spry enough to see it. :laughing:

 

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