Would like to learn about the process, but trying to keep it simple for fix small area in bathroom ceiling (next to plumbing wall) below neighboring condo apartment tub leak.Ask to learn from the company doing the remediation and learn the trade and take the training courses offered throughout the country. Complete work to IICRC S520 standards. The trade can be profitable but just do it right.
You are 100% correct in the State or Federal Regulations. There are several States that now require certification and rightly so. Hurricane Katrina changed how States are now looking at possible regulation for mold. As I have always been told (hope to never find out) that the courts look to see if the remediator adhered to the S520 standards. This is the industry standards that we try to follow. I don't know of any "free sites" to review or read. Maybe if you have a friend that is a remediation contractor or an insurance adjuster he/she might lend you a "book" for a readover. They are abt 1.5" thick and reads like the Senate Health Care Bill :clap: There are several on-line training courses but personally we don't put much stock in these courses. Kinda like trying to be an electrician by reading an NEC book. You might see if there are any mold inspectors in your area that you might hire for a few $$$'s to consult while the job is in progress just to cover your tail?Would like to learn about the process, but trying to keep it simple for fix small area in bathroom ceiling (next to plumbing wall) below neighboring condo apartment tub leak.
1. If correctly reading the IICRC order form, one copy of IICRC SS520 standards (sight-unseen) cost $130 ! Any way to read it online ?
2. Any online drywall mold remediation courses or manual ?
3. Other ways for contractor to get 'training' for work on these small projects ?
Couldnt find any WA state or Federal regulations requiring construction contractor 'certification' for mold remediation (as, for example, with work around lead paint per 40 CFR 745.80)... missed something ?
Understand the need to cover the a$$, but certified or not, unless some protection is provided by federal or state regulations, dont see how anything will totally protect any of us from a lawsuit.
But, that said, would still like to find the simplest way to learn the right way to do it.
R U serious? I know you Canucks are very strict on mold mitigation but......holy crap!You will need to evacuate all tenants in building and apply for a b345, (here in Canada) before you begin. Also, a perimeter exposure area of 3 city blocks must be maintained and monitored 24/7 for 1 week prior and 2 weeks post removal.
Great response. Is this Mark of Dryout?Good morning, akm:
Well, on one hand, it is good to see that you are asking questions and show a desire to learn, but, to save yourself a lot of agrivation and risks, let me say that there is no substitute for investing time in education and following industry guidelines.
This is too broad a subject to write everything, so I will highlight some information to be helpful, but you are welcome to call me today, Sunday, or 24/7.
I am sharing 16 years of "hands-on" experience as an insurance restoration contractor and independent property adjuster. To understand how to deal with mold, you need to understand how to deal with water damage losses and structural drying.
I see you are in Seattle. This information will make things a lot easier for you, if you so choose:
1) The IICRC (Institute for Inspection, Cleaning and Restoration Certification) at www.iicrc.org is a great place for you to start. This is one of the two largest, if not the largest, organization in the world that offers 23 courses on restoration involving water, fire, mold and many other courses that you may encounter involving insurance property damage claims, or you may want to take these courses to broaden your services available.
While I am sure that some of these classes are offered in Seattle, you are very lucky that you are close to Burlington, where Dri-Eaz is located. Dri-Eaz is one of the largest manufacturers of drying equipment and has a "hands-on" on site facility to provide you a solid education and experience. You get to work in a flooded house and learn first hand how to dry a structure.
Take a few hours to read their site and call ask speak to their educational department.
2) As FReemont REO stated, and, if you plan on working with mold on a regular basis, you need to have pollution liability insurance. General liability insurance will not protect you in the event of a law suit.
3) Back to your original situation that I have gathered from others posting (you are dealing with a mold issue due to a water loss in the condo above). Here are some key steps if you have not started work yet:
---Do you have a signed work authorization to begin work?
---Did the owners call their carrier and file a claim?
---How much water/mold damage is there?
---Were the owners out of town, when the loss occurred?
---Has the owner notified the Association of water/mold damage in the wall/ceiling cavities?
---If the source of loss is from the condo bath above, has the leak been fixed?
---How long did the water damage exist before being detected?
---If this is an insurance claim, have you met with the adjuster?
---If the insured is living in the condo, you need to find out how sensitive they are to mold spores.
After these questions are determined, it must be determined whether pre-mold testing is required. This can depend on many variables: How long has the water/mold damage been present? Has the mold been disturbed prior to your arrival? If insurance related, will the carrier pay for testing prior to work starting.........this is a protection for you and the insured. Depending on the amount of mold or type, and, for liability issues, you want to know what the mold count is and type before starting. A post-mold test will definitely be needed, again, depending on many variables.
You must coordintate with the Association and receive written approval before removing any drywall, which belongs to the Association. In addition, the Association is responsible for the cost of drywall removal/repair and any cleaning/drying of the wall cavities. You should have a separate contract for them before any work begins.
Again, these are just a few key points. Understanding the principles of water damage and structural drying is important, when remediating mold. Most "regular contractors" use the mentality of Remove-Replace and should be thinking Restore-Replace. Air quality test, determining each parties liability, insurance coverage, containment, dehumidification, removal, disposal, documentation and payment are all key considerations.
Please call (210-823-3864) Mark if you have any questions. I am currently in SW Florida.
Thank you for the comprehensive/informative reply (and thanks Frnkawitz for the photos) !Well, on one hand, it is good to see that you are asking questions and show a desire to learn, but, to save yourself a lot of agrivation and risks, let me say that there is no substitute for investing time in education and following industry guidelines.
Thanks, we may be in touch !Washington state doesn't require you to be certified. At least in that last few years anyway. If you want I know a guy that was trained for this type of work if you want.
LOL now thats funny:clap:I found this and would like the Experts how this would work. since everyone is worried of being sued.
While mold may be considered the next asbestos for financial reasons,it can not be considered the same environmental hazard. There are many factors involved in the differentiation of mold and asbestos.
1.A rock, never growing or dying
2.Placed indoors by humans
3.Exact abatement clearance standards
4.Disposal in specified landfills
5.Very small particle
6.Causes defined cancers and lung disease
1.A living, breathing organism
2.Allergic reaction predominates
3.Relatively large spores
4.Most degradation in a landfill is by mold
6.Occurs naturally indoors and out
Heres something else to think about.
Remember, mold is natural part of our environment. Salmville Amish Blue Cheese Crumbles contains 33,000,000 spores per gram.
T. Marzetti's Chunky Blue Cheese Dressing contains 230,000 spores/g or 138,000,000 spores per bottle, If this bottle of dressing spilled onto the wall, Most of the "Mold Experts" would suit up in full face respirators and full Tyvek suits to remove the entire wall under containment.:w00t::shutup:
Not trying to be a smart azz, but I have been doing water damage repairs for comin on 25 years now. Most of the Homeowner Insurance policies in my area have a cap on mold remediation of $5,000.00. I hear what your saying about covering yourself. we found Mold Control to work the best.