[basswood]

Here are a few tips on backbanding. I cut these moldings just a skosh long (make the head just a 1/16" long = 1/32" overhanging each end of the head casing). This small gap is hidden and allows for seasonal movement with out forcing the miters open. This is more important in winter installs than it is this time of year. Anyway I have a pic that shows this... if you can see it.

Also, most outside corner moldings have a flat sawn face and a quartersawn face. I put the quartersawn face on the front of the casing and the flat sawn face on the side. Quartersawn grain is more stable so the miters will stay tight.

I pocket screw the casings together, flip them over and add the backband on a work table and install the whole thing as a unit:

 

[basswood]

To see if I can keep this thread alive, here is a cross-section of an outside corner molding showing the Quartersawn side (on the left) and the flat sawn side (right).

Quartersawn lumber is cut perpendicular to the tree rings or "radially cut". Flat sawn lumber is cut essentially along the rings (actually tangent to the rings).

Outside corner molding is unique, because the right angle and equal length sides means the molding contains both flat and quartersawn sides.

 

[neolitic]

Most of the back band I get
is sawn the other way.
My flat casing is eased a bit,
(store bought or homemade)
so I give the tops of the jamb
casing a "kiss" with an 1/8"
roundover bit.

 

[silvertree]

I've known about the quartersawn side of outside corner for a while. Your the first guy I ever heard mention it, I've been telling guys this for a long time. The Kregs jig is very good for this type of casing install, I have changed the trim out in 2 of my homes with this exact setup, I painted it in most the house, nice clean look with enough detail to be interesting.
Looks good:thumbsup:

 

[Scribbles]

Worst thread ever...... love the pic silvertree.

We need a changing look of silver tree thread.


























Just platying bass, good info, and You'r work is fantastic,

 

[neolitic]

Worst thread ever...... love the pic silvertree.

We need a changing look of silver tree thread.

Aaaah, I thought Tony Orlando
had turned anorexic! :laughing:

 

[Jason Whipple]

Aaaah, I thought Tony Orlando
had turned anorexic! :laughing:

:w00t::laughing::laughing:

 

[basswood]

Hey strangers,

I'm resurrecting this thread and recycling some other threads into it.

Backbands can be two pieced, with the outside edge molding plain and the front face with a milled profile. The milled profile may just be a simple edge effect milled in a single pass with a router or more elaborate and done on a shaper or with multiple passes with a router.

 

[katoman]

Well, I don't get to make my own much. It's usually what I get from the lumber supply. But I glue and nail the backband on and install as one piece.

Been a long time since I did a real coped cassing with backband. Today it's all mitre, mitre, mitre.

 

[basswood]

One of the highest form of the two piece backband is what I call the nautilus rosette. Essentially, the back band on the head casing is run long and returns around within itself to form a "spiral square" rosette.

Used this way, you have shortened an otherwise huge miter that would be prone to opening. It is a hybrid form... backhanded, with a rosette, and with a mitered casing.

 

[basswood]

Here is another pic of the "spiral square"

 

[blackbear]

I like it.:thumbsup: I use back band on everything.(chair rail cap, casing, stringer cap, light rail on cabs) its a very versatile molding.

 

[basswood]

Here is another variation on backbanded casing, with a "cabinet head" treatment (crown around the head casing):

 

[basswood]

Here is the traditional way to apply casing when you don't have room in a corner (rather than ripping the molding small enough to fit it turns the corner to maintain balance... not as good as perfect design, but a decent alternative):

 

[PowerWash]

Here is another variation on backbanded casing, with a "cabinet head" treatment (crown around the head casing):

Why did you draw two "franks and beans" on that beautiful work:whistling

Seriously.. that spiral is cool... awesome work

 

[DougAU]

Brian
I just registered on this site and clicked on carpentry and found a thread by none other then you! I'm working on a house with backbanding, spent the whole day in the shop milling casing/backbanding, how appropos.
I had read on BT classic that you were on here along with a few others from the old BT, didnt expect to see someone I knew right off the bat.
I only read on BT classic, no time to get hung up in all the same old same old so I keep it to lurking, works out better that way.
I've heard you went back to school?
Nice seeing someone familiar and glad to see your still at it.

Doug

 

[basswood]

A note about the carving in the center of the "spiral square"... I believe the three leaves represent a beginning, middle and end... phases of life, as it were.

When I carve these leaves, I curve one leaf slightly inward (towards the beginning--birth), one leans out (towards death), and the middle-aged leaf is living in denial.

Here is a corbel with a similar motif:

 

[basswood]

Brian
I just registered on this site and clicked on carpentry and found a thread by none other then you! I'm working on a house with backbanding, spent the whole day in the shop milling casing/backbanding, how appropos.
I had read on BT classic that you were on here along with a few others from the old BT, didnt expect to see someone I knew right off the bat.
I only read on BT classic, no time to get hung up in all the same old same old so I keep it to lurking, works out better that way.
I've heard you went back to school?
Nice seeing someone familiar and glad to see your still at it.

Doug

Hey Doug, Good to hear from you! The strange thing is that I have not really been spending much time here either, the last couple of years school work and my job at the "U" has been consuming my time.

I lurk here some... more than posting during recent years. Most of this thread is old stuff I posted in '09 or '10... smashing a few ideas together here. Hope all is well there.

Here is a link to a link about the casing and backband I milled... might be similar to what you did today:

http://www.contractortalk.com/f13/built-up-victorian-casing-techniques-article-73219/

Hey ALL, Welcome Doug U here. He does nicer work than I do, honestly. Great high-end stuff.

Cheers, Brian

 

[Warren]

Welcome Doug!

That is some high praise coming from Bass! He is legendary here.

 

[loneframer]

Good to see you Bass. Only you can disappear for months on end and re-establish the pecking order with one post.:laughing: