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I have a bucket of water and sponge when laying tile. I back butter the tile then wipe the edges with the sponge. I ensure that the corners are covered as well. I also use the method Rowdy described. I lay the tile next to the two adjacent tiles and pull it into position. I will then set the tile and use the sponge to wipe up any excess mortar from between the tile as well as the surface.
 
TNTSERVICES said:
I have a bucket of water and sponge when laying tile. I back butter the tile then wipe the edges with the sponge. I ensure that the corners are covered as well. I also use the method Rowdy described. I lay the tile next to the two adjacent tiles and pull it into position. I will then set the tile and use the sponge to wipe up any excess mortar from between the tile as well as the surface.
Also use the old drop and pull method makes for a cleaner install...
 
Oh, ok so to me...... Burn is on the floor, back butter is on the tile.
With a knotched trowel, setting each tile perpendicular to the comb direction of thinset on the floor, or walls,
to create small suction cups that adhere the tile to the substrait and insure full coverage and support of thinset. :thumbup:
 
angus242 said:
Probably because I know what I'm doing? When I have have proper coverage, I know it's both supported and adhered properly.

I can't help it if someone mixes thinset wrong or doesn't clean a substrate properly.
Oh crap, you're supposed to clean the floor before you put down the floor? :wink:
 
Because a dirty substrate can add dust to the applied thinset and you won't get a good bond.

Call me anal but that's why my installs last.
I agree...especially when using hardie which tends to generate a lot of dust...Dust can block the thinset and keep it from actually contacting the substrate fully. Dust or dirt messes up any adhesive. I vacuum mine real good, but maybe I should mop as well idk.

This whole discussion really comes down to one of the classic questions in construction. What's the balance between ensuring you did a good job and wasting your time with overkill? I feel better being on the overkill side of things, but I definitely don't want to be so paranoid I lose my sanity :laughing:
 
Cleaning a substrate is far from overkill. When I'm installing over a cementitious substrate, I wash the entire thing with a sponge and my goal is to make it very clean. The moisture is also a benefit. Depending on how long since I've washed, I might even mist over the surface before troweling thinset with a spray bottle.
 
Seriously, I vac then I sweep, then I vac up what I swept, then I sweep and cus cuz I just vacced and swept so where is all this dirt coming from, then I vac up what I just swept and while I'm setting I have a real soft hand brush/broom (old school looking thing) that I sweep the spot I'm about to lay my thinset on and I still can't believe there is still dirt there, but not very much at all cuz of all that damn sweeping I already did.
 
angus242 said:
Cleaning a substrate is far from overkill. When I'm installing over a cementitious substrate, I wash the entire thing with a sponge and my goal is to make it very clean. The moisture is also a benefit. Depending on how long since I've washed, I might even mist over the surface before troweling thinset with a spray bottle.
Agreed, on some porous concrete in the past I find if u don't install on it damp , it sucks the moisture out of the thinset.....thumbsup
 
Probably because I know what I'm doing? When I have have proper coverage, I know it's both supported and adhered properly.

I can't help it if someone mixes thinset wrong or doesn't clean a substrate properly.
I do not doubt that you know what you are doing, however, my question was why can't you have support and poor adhesion. To me complete support is a tile that has an even mortar bed to sit on, but it doesn't mean that it is adhered to the mortar bed completely.

And the two reasons you listed would qualify as support but no adhesion.
 
Many of the methods that have been described here will work, no loose tiles , no cracked grout , no call back. That is exactly our goal as professional tile installers.
All it proves is that there is more than one way to install tile that won't "fail."

As long as you stand behind YOUR work, and will go back at YOUR own expense and fix ANY problem....Keep installing the way you do. The NTCA standards are guidelines
set up to help us ALL install with less risk of failures. Because of so many factors related to tile installation, NO installation can be guaranteed 100% against any problem.

I have probably said it myself, " I have been setting for X (fill in the blank) and NEVER
had any problems." If you have been installing tile for any length of time , you have experienced something. This forum is a good place to learn from each other , not
debate over minor issues.
 
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