Your points sound reasonable to me, around here we usually have bank run or clay, so the extra digging is usually not that much of a big deal, otherwise i agree, the numbers where light
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Neo,I'd say in principle, he's right.
I don't know about his numbers,
or how old they are, but it sure
does depend on what part of the
country you are in.
His only fault would be painting
with too broad a brush.
Did he know that the OP was in his area?
The mechanicals don't really add that much.Neo,
If you can get a basement done for any where close to those numbers, I'll be sure to sub the next one I get out to you.
The furnace that's there is undersized as well as the AC, the electric that's going 'through it' is actually going through the walls above the basement. And you would need a new ciruit(s) to accomodate for the minimal lighting and the recommended outlets. That is unless you're thinking of splicing from existing wires. The power at the current service panel may not be adequate.The mechanicals don't really add that much.
The furnace is there, the electrical is routing
through it, it isn't adding that much load
to the heat, and A/C is nearly nothing.
I have no idea where you are.
Maybe your water table is 3' down.
Maybe bedrock is 2' down.
Here we have clay for a looong way,
and a basement is the cheapest square footage
you can build. (given a crawl as the alternative)
I have thought about it,The furnace that's there is undersized as well as the AC, the electric that's going 'through it' is actually going through the walls above the basement. And you would need a new ciruit(s) to accomodate for the minimal lighting and the recommended outlets. That is unless you're thinking of splicing from existing wires. The power at the current service panel may not be adequate.
Stating that things are next to nothing and the cheapest way to go just doesn't cut the mustard with me or most potential clients.
I'm sorry sir, please try again.
We recently added on to our house and we added the basement addition too. It was worth every penny. Yes, it was a lot more expensive but like I stated, the extra play area for the kids for those days they can't go outside, are priceless.
As you can clearly see it is a baby pool....:blink:cdat whats in the cage
As you can clearly see it is a baby pool....:blink:
The correct question is: why is a baby pool in a cage of chicken wire? :w00t:
Only Cdat can answer that....
Lucky for you your electric service is already down there.I have thought about it,
and I have done it, and I am sitting
on top of a basement right now.
the electrical service is down there.
It branches across the basement to
get to the walls for the upper floors.
The furnace is down there.
The supply and return trunks
cross it to get to the upper floors.
If you add space on the upper floors
you will have to up size HVAC capacity
for that.
The extra load for the basement is negligible.
But have it your way.
neolitic;788521 The extra load for the basement is negligible. quote said:I think a better way of stating this is: The excuses(or better yet, the lack of sound reasoning) I'm giving for adding the extra load to the proposed area, using the existing services is NEGLIGENT.:no:
Lucky for you your electric service is already down there.
And your furnace too!
But this dicussion is about the extra costs for adding a basement foundation to an addition that was already planned for having a crawl.
Not the house YOU are living in.
Perhaps the furnace and electric panel are already placed in the existing structure. If the 18x24 addition is only a single story then that's more than 400 sq ft of extra living space you would need to heat, cool, insulate and power up.
Now you want to double that living space by putting in a basement and still expect your current furnace, ac, and service panel to carry the loads?
Furnaces and AC units are sized appropriately according to the size of living spaces for numerous reasons that I just won't have time to explain to you in this discussion.
The fact is the original HO's just didn't give enough details about the job for Tim Carter to tell them that for a mere 36 hundred bucks they'd be playing ping pong in their new basement.
You've got just 3 more tries on this one.
This was the original premise.neolitic;788521 The extra load for the basement is negligible. quote said:I think a better way of stating this is: The excuses(or better yet, the lack of sound reasoning) I'm giving for adding the extra load to the proposed area, using the existing services is NEGLIGENT.:no:
"DEAR TIM: My husband and I are having a large (24x18 feet) room addition built. Our house has a full basement. "
Your points sound reasonable to me, around here we usually have bank run or clay, so the extra digging is usually not that much of a big deal, otherwise i agree, the numbers where light. G
those numbers would get you pretty close around hear
as an unfinished space
I would add ins in my area +500-1000
add for any other extras
Look at it like this.Lucky for you your electric service is already down there.
And your furnace too!
But this dicussion is about the extra costs for adding a basement foundation to an addition that was already planned for having a crawl.
Not the house YOU are living in.
Perhaps the furnace and electric panel are already placed in the existing structure. If the 18x24 addition is only a single story then that's more than 400 sq ft of extra living space you would need to heat, cool, insulate and power up.
Now you want to double that living space by putting in a basement and still expect your current furnace, ac, and service panel to carry the loads?
I would expect that one would be sizing
mechanicals accordingly and consider the
basement at the same time as the additional
main floor space.
But that's just me.
Furnaces and AC units are sized appropriately according to the size of living spaces for numerous reasons that I just won't have time to explain to you in this discussion.
The fact is the original HO's just didn't give enough details about the job for Tim Carter to tell them that for a mere 36 hundred bucks they'd be playing ping pong in their new basement.
You've got just 3 more tries on this one.
We can all see that.This was the original premise.
"DEAR TIM: My husband and I are having a large (24x18 feet) room addition built. Our house has a full basement. "
What it does'nt say is: Neo's house has a full basement with a furnace and service panel already down there.
What you seem to be having a hard time understanding is that the discussion is about the extra costs of adding a basement foundation(as opposed to a crawl foundation) to a proposed addition.
What makes you think the furnace and service panel are down in their existing basement?
Even if they were, it still doesn't explain how you're going to heat, cool, insulate, and power up the new basement at no additional costs.
I can see where there is sort of a brick wall seperating you from the dilema, so I'm not even going to count this one as one of your last 3 tries.
Another point not being taken into consideration, when it comes to extra costs, is the difficulties of waterproofing and maintaining a dry environment in an underground basement, as opposed to crawls.
The footings for a crawl space foundation need only be a couple of feet below the ground surface level in many areas, in order to protect it from freeze/thaw contractions. At this depth, the amount of water forcing its way below the footing and into the structure is quite managable.
Not so much when placing your footings an additional 5-7 feet below the ground where the water table has a better chance of encroachment. This is especially true after a big rain.
Think of it this way: the deeper you dig a well, the better chance of hitting water.
So how do we contend with this encroaching water? There are many ways that I know of that I'd be happy to dicuss in another thread if anyone was so inclined. Bottom line here is-none of them are cheap.
Again, I think Tim Carter did nothing for the original HO's except get there panties soaked over the thought of getting a new basement for a few extra bucks.
Maybe if we say Tim Carter enough times in this thread, he'll google himself and end up here explaining his own actions and thoughts.