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This paying by the sheet isn't even close in most situations. Even sq. footage.......there are just too many factors. I think the term "going rate" better describes what an employee of a Drywall Company makes.
Lets say you got sq footage and you wanna start pricing based on that.....is the house 20 sheets or 650 sheets of 4x12...I mean the same but I say without seeing a job it's just too hard to get it down to the dollar.:thumbsup: DRYWALL LABOR IS GOING SKY HIGHTHIS YEAR I HEARD??:whistling
Right on the money King. I am a sub for a drywall contractor. I get an address with some starting #'s . When I actually go to measure and look -the numbers change because of all the reasons you stated.
 

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King....I didn't know what to think of you at first, but your ok! We agree on a lot of sh!t.

And yes there is absolutely no "going rate" it varies just like you said.

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p.s. hope your talking labor and not the materials through the roof. I cant do last year all over again.:no:

This paying by the sheet isn't even close in most situations. Even sq. footage.......there are just too many factors. I think the term "going rate" better describes what an employee of a Drywall Company makes.
Lets say you got sq footage and you wanna start pricing based on that.....is the house 20 sheets or 650 sheets of 4x12...I mean the same sq.footage price cannot possibly apply right? you got windows wrapped or unwrapped,texture, no texture, what kind,1/2 on ceiling or 5/8. Any additional walls get 5/8?,doorways wrapped,closets wrapped,what kind of corner bead?,what about material delivery? straight in the garage or stocked room by room, 2 story home? ranch,scaffold work or not? cathedral ceiling, vaulted ceiling, is it a new construction or renovation and framing is not square? hanging 48 or 54" board,,,,,,,wew.....I could go on forever. I say for now on if we are gonna quote squarefootage prices on here we should assume the houses is a nightmare. The DIYers see it as if there 6 sheet bathroom can get hung for $60 ya know. As far as Square footage though-YES- like you said one guy hangs 8's the other 16's......sq footage is way more accurate......but I say without seeing a job it's just too hard to get it down to the dollar.:thumbsup: DRYWALL LABOR IS GOING SKY HIGHTHIS YEAR I HEARD??:whistling
 

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Trust me bro......my intentions are nothing but good. It's one of those things that doesn't really come across when typing, but I'm sure in person you would at least be humoured by alot of the stuff I do...LMAO I'm the type of guy that if I show up at a social event where I don't know anybody.....I might purposely drop a plate just to get eyes turning my way.... ya know get noticed....lol. Most of my friends used to say....."when he arrives he don't walk through the front door--he kicks it down". That's just business. but on a personal level I'd never do ya wrong. Trust me I don't have an ego as previously thought.......I am always open minded and I know there are people out there that know more than me. Recently I made a new pal -KGphoto-
there is one intelligent guy. I did notice that on this board there are alot of really intelligent people.......I mighta been somewhat humbled....in a good way. But never the less, I think when typing confidence may come off as cockiness.....as far as business goes alot of competitors may not like me, but here on the board we are not competitors at all.
 

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Deal......

who knows......the wife is always looking to vacation somewhere new.
You got alot going on in Nebraska? Anytime my wife and kids take a vacation.....I end up making a new pal and doing some work to see how things are dome there. Damn.......just love drywallin!!
 

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who knows......the wife is always looking to vacation somewhere new.
You got alot going on in Nebraska? Anytime my wife and kids take a vacation.....I end up making a new pal and doing some work to see how things are dome there. Damn.......just love drywallin!!
Thats funny "alot going on in Nebraska?" Nope never. But if your ever coming thru I can show ya the Carrara stucco we are doing out here. Pretty interesting stuff to a drywaller.

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Actually there is a going rate. Everyone has one. You have a standard that you add to for unusual things or things that make your job more difficult.

Obviously, the "rate" includes a significant size job. Remodels don't count.

Around here for relatively simple stuff, hang, tape, and texture, 8' ceilings, bull nose corners, the current rate seems to be .30-.36 per sq ft. This is for a contractor and labor only.
Must be really cheap to live in your state, that is cheap.:w00t:
 

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Around here for relatively simple stuff, hang, tape, and texture, 8' ceilings, bull nose corners, the current rate seems to be .30-.36 per sq ft. This is for a contractor and labor only.

This what a contractor pays, right? If so, what does the customer pay the contractor. In other words, what do you charge, Thom? We may have a slight communication problem here. Not disagreeing. I am thinking of doing some drywall and really do not know what to expect as far as price ranges here. I know here may be completely different than there.
 

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Boman might be on to something here.....

Alot of miscommunication is what the outsiders are getting. As I said....I am a contractor and I pay out between $6 and $9 MAX a sheet(4x12 or 48 sq ft). As a contractor I NEVER HAVE A SET PRICE or GOING RATE.....It's a bargaining table 100% of the time. Now my labor has a going rate....I never pay outside of the above mentioned rates. I feel safe in saying typically a job for me falls between $45(at the absolute lowest) and maybe up to $85 per sheet (94cents-$1.77 sq ft) All labor and material. I think there might be some miscommunicating for sure. The outsider see my going rate at $6-$9 a sheet and they interpret that at close to what they will pay I guess??? Who knows. Well. Remember.....drywall labor is going way up this year....at least that's what I heard
 

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Yes, that is the communication gap I am talking about. King, are you talking hanging and level 4 finish? Well. I guess the wide price swing indicates different finish levels and types among other variables.
 

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Boman...

Yes....that cost includes all labor and materials. Our finish is "ready to paint". I have charged more than that, but never less than the amount mentioned above. I mean just ball parking some numbers my material cost is approximately $13 a board, than my payouts to my crews are the $7 a sheet for the hang and another $7 a sheet for the finish, and the difference becomes the company contracting price. **For any DIY'er looking in......these are ONLY APPROXIMATES. Several circumstances add to the numbers. That # is a low ball-based scenario. Diy'ers need to stop attempting to create a drywall budget and leave the cost to the professionals. As we have said all along....there is no set price. There are way too many variables to even come up with a number without consulting a contractor. Next time a Home Depot rep. throws out a figure that sounds good......just ask the rep where you can find those people. Get the name of the company. I am very interested in hearing from these companies tht charge THIS "$10" a sheet thing.:thumbsup:
 

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Man,

If I only got $3.00/sheet profit, id close up shop...mostly cause I would be homeless!

I make between $12,000.00-$24,000.00 profit on most of my jobs, depending on size of the area. It varies however, I have made as lil as $700.00 and as much as $85,000.00. It all depends on what my guys throw at me, and what I can handle at that moment in time. That is Commercial though, which is bid "technically" T&M.

On residential, I bid by sheet and after paying piece work on the hangers, piece work on the finishers, and materials I make an average of only $18.00/sheet. That is why I sub out ALL my single family homes, or basically anything under 1100 sheets. I got alot more money to make on my commercial jobs, and they keep me ALOT ALOT ALOT busier than my small time home builders. However, I began with them, so I don't wanna drop em' cause I have been workin with em' from day one. So I give them all to a buddy of mine, who does EXCELLENT work.

Now my big time builders, who either do homes over 1100 sheets, do 5-10 million dollar homes at a time, or do multi-unit housing(NV Homes,Ryan Homes,Bozzuto Homes,Gemcraft Homes) I put my personal guys on, and they are all hourly. It is worth it to me though because I make a good profit on a 30-80 home community.

Now I do see alot of hispanics coming in and they supply,hang,finish, and sand for $25/sheet...I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY LIVE!!! 25/sheet is sh*t once all your overhead is figured in.

In closing, I have said this in other threads and I will say it now...The day I stop making what I want, When I want, How i want, is the day I will close up shop. I won't allow myself or my business that I have worked my ass off to build into a soild,reputable company, to be brought down by Home Depot know-it-nothing's,people who want it cheap and fast, illegals, or any other person place or thing!!!
 

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That's what I been saying all along....

Stand behind your prices this year men. We control the cost.
Don't give in to the one's who name their price. This is our industry and if you give people an inch they take a mile. If they heard 1 single guy got his job done for this $10 a sheet crap, than they somehow think that the numbers must be close. I heard contractors all over talking about how they are charging more this year....so the price is going up. Cheap labor=crappy work, and it makes the trade look bad. I think I'm going up like 20% this year.....what are you guys thinking?;)
 

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I had a man call me about a month ago, asking if I would give him a price on doing a 135 sheet addition(like I even have time to mess with something that small and meanial, but I figured I could give it to my buddy/sub, or at least put him in the right direction and be a nice guy). He gave me all the "specs" so I could give him a ballpark figure, after everything it came to like around $11,000. Would have been lower but there are high cathedral ceilings and he wanted special ordered 4X16 board to cut down on joints.

Anyway, when I told him the price, he flipped. He said "The other guy is pricing is at $24.00/sheet what is your price?" I said "With the special ordered board and high ceilings, the NO COAT system, plus regular cost of hanging and finishing, it comes to about $78.00/board. I thought I had just killed the man.

He screamed and cursed "Your a mother ******* con artist how the **** can you charge that much ******* money you mother ******?!?!?!?!?!?"
I said "How can I not? My question is how can this other guy charge $24.00/board for special ordered 16' board, 14' catherdral ceilings, and the NO COAT system?? PLUS his overhead?"

He answered "THE HONEST WAY!!" and hung up.

Now, talk to me about homeowners not knowing the cost of doing business. Now everyone HE knows he is going to tell that they can have such elaborate construction for F**kin $24.00/board?!?!

It does not hurt me as much, because I don't mess with homeowner work, or small jobs like that. But it KILLS guys like my friend/sub that make a living doing it, and other hangers and finishers I know that would love to get jobs like that...trust me, just cause I don't do that kinda work, does not mean I don't feel the pain fellas.
 

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Never fear- King is here !!

I feel you man. I been there a few times. On the bright side, start checking all the posts in the next few weeks regarding the increase in drywall labor cost increase. Just go to google and use key words like "drywall cost" or Drywall labor rate" or "estimated drywall labor"etc......start checking the next week or so.
The more it's googled.....the quicker it gets to the top if you know what I mean. ....let's see what "comes up".
PS I asked many sources lately where are they finding their information.....they say internet.? I asked a home depot guy and I didn't tell him who I was.....he gave me the whole $10 a sheet thing....again.
I said where did you find that, he said he seen it on the internet.
I will make sure Home Depot Bans their employees from doing that crap. If we make a big enough beef about it via emails......you'd be surprised what'll get done. Are you guys hearing about contractor labor prices going up over there too? Of course you did.:thumbsup:
 

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good thread


for what i do --- i've seen "going rates" around on the internet that are sometimes LESS THAN HALF of my prices


it's just that the dummy writing the information doesn't know any better


it's no different than me assuming everyone pays $20/month for internet connection just because I do too (not that I do nor assume, etc)




good thread
 

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anyone interested in making announcements.....

I would suggest checking out the many sites that offer free posting of events and feel free to create your own announcement of the 2007 Increase.
Do you guys understand how many DIY'ers go the the internet before getting quotes from a company? PLENTY I am sure. Should you decide to make your own announcement, be sure to title it something along the lines of "Cost of Drywall Labor To Inflate In 2007"......whatever arrangement try to use those key words. This is win win for everybody. The people shopping will get a better idea of what it should really cost.....rather than getting a cheap-low quality job. I certainly intend on taking an active part in seeing to it that potential customers are gonna see what a fair price really is. We gotta laugh though....$10 a sheet...wew...lol. Was I safe in saying everyone kinda falls between the $45 and $85 dollar bracket a sheet(4x12) ?? That's Like .94c-$1.80 a sq ft of baord......Oh yeah...that's another one which is why I am always stating per sheet rather than sq. ft. . I had a homebuilder--Who thought that meant if he had a 2000 sq ft. home, that he was gonna pay that rate?? I said no!!!-Sq ft. of wall and ceiling coverings-sq. ft of drywall......that's why I am always saying x amount per sheet......I don't want the shoppers getting the wrong idea.
Drywall Labor Cost goes up in 2007......pass it on....haha:thumbsup:
 
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