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Ok Boys n girls.... here's everyones chance to show their stuff. i'd like to get some perspectives on a home i am planning to build in the future. say in a year or two. I will most likely build as i go, (on my own dime) as the economy has has shot me in the foot and i cant get a loan to build.

Picture if you will a gambrel type barn 16' x 28' fro the main body of the home. 9 foot ceilings up and down.
(Yeah, just like a storage barn at home depot.But taller)
The lvg room at the front, master bath and laundry in the rear.
Flanked on the right with a 12 x 24 kitchen/dining rm set back from the main 2 feet with a simple lein-to roof.
Flanked on the left with a 12x22 master bed room and a huge walk in closet. also set back 2 feet and simple lein-to roof. All metal roof, debating on siding, cement, metal or cedar board n batten, undecided. the stairs by the way are in the center of the main... and there would be 2 bedrooms up stairs. on in front, one in back. The roofline will have a dormer at the landing at the top as well as 2) window (dormers) per room on one side of the upper roof. As a design thought i am debating building the main (barn) and siding it all the way around so the siding is inside the adjoining flanks. Think that would be kinda cool if we go with cedar. Drywall the rest ofcourse. Im also thinking of building it so that it could be separated and moved if ever need be.

Here's where i need the input....

I just thought about going with a slab and footer foundation, as the lot we are looking into is nice and gently rolling... maybe a foot of grade over 20 feet, maybe 2 feet in 30 feet(Minimal grade really) I wonder if there would be any savings to gain, whether by lumber, or heating cooling, as i have never lived on a slab foundation, and have no comparisons. I have to imagine it would be better in some ways, not so better in others.

The wiring presents a problem for me too. I will have to hire all of the major stuff out as i dont know code for ele. what so ever. I know a little but not enough to wire the whole house. I wonder what is better... wiring from the top or from the bottom? i would imagine from the bottom would save a little wire... but if we go with a slab.... there goes that idea right? or no?

With the disassemble and move theory, how could the wiring be done to make that easier? Junction thru the wall switches somehow? I know all connections have to be in a box... how might i plan this?

Any one experienced with outdoor wood furnaces? (the boiler type with aux power) If this goes on concrete i would really like to put one of those in. How tough are they to install? Manifolds and such... pumps...not my area really. And price? any one put one in lately?

My son is 5 so i think we will go with a cheap laminate for most of the floors and carpet elsewhere and vinyl in the baths. Until he is a little older and more careful, i dont wanna put down the good stuff and see it get "rurnt" (for all you city folk that means thrashed by a five yr old!!!)

Since we are thinking about building as we go... i see the purchase of some water sealer in our future by the 5 gallon bucket size. A gc i worked with years back asked us to spray the subfloor down with it and come back the next day to start framing walls. So we did. we doused that joker...3/4 osb... we had the ext walls up and it rained for 2 weeks. we drilled holes in the lowest spots we could find, cut out our bottom plates at all the doors and let all the water we could out.... worked like a charm.... but we had a sump in the basement going non stop for 2 weeks.... the footprint on this house was probably 4500 sq feet. so it was like a swimming pool. the Tompsons waterseal worked great!!!! nothing buckled up, or even swelled. If i had not seen it i would have never believed it. So i will use this trick too, might even use it on all the lumber during construction... couldnt hurt right? or could it? Any experience there?

lastly, i'd like to put a great big i beam in the main roof peak, just like an old hay barn. with a pulley and rollers. would be handy moving furniture in and out, and just kinda cool i think... but how to hinge the door to drop down, and then ofcourse how to seal it up tight when not in use. I kinda would like it to act as a patio door, put a screen up and railings to keep it safe. (no patio naturally) Any design ideas on that appreciated.

Thats about it... i figure this one cant fare any worse than some threads i have been reading. I just hope no one asks me if i have a code book in my pocket. I dont.... yet... I know there are some great minds here, and i hope this might interest some of you. Again, this is my own house plan, i drew and designed, this is not a job or a client. Any and all mistakes will be the sole responsibility of the erector, in the event of actual commencement of construction, kiss my a** goodbye for a while!!! this is gonna take some long time to do after work and on weekends. i just hope we can make it happen. Any how, thanks you guys, if anyone has even read this much... so long winded. Sorry. Thanks, good night.
 

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Good Lord, I'm going to start typing with a German accent if you're going to keep typing in a Southern accent. :laughing:

As nearly as I can tell you forgot to ask the most important questions. What kind of irrigation system and what kind of landscaping are you going to put on your new property?
 

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Just how long do you think you can take to build your own abode by paying cash as you go?

I doubt your permit, not to mention your insurance underwriter, will be willing to stretch that far out.
 

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This was my initial plan.Do what I did,..........don't do it.

Save the cash so it doesn't rot into the ground before you get it done.
What little interest you earn (or invest it)will by far be better than worrying about materials walking off,liability insurance.
Unless you can get it to dry in,it isn't worth the risk of losing interest because of slow and tedious progress.
I got lucky and sold my old house when the market was right,got to live in it for two months after it sold,and had a slow winter where I could commit to it.
I know it never would have gotten done if I did it peacemeal.Something else would have come up.Just moving tools and equipment around would have been time consuming.

I've seen many of these projects never get to completion,then it's bye-bye investment.
 

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Not sure what your current living conditions are, but why not save a little while, let the credit improve, and possibly take advantage of the first time home buyer tax credit(providing that it gets extended past Nov)? I agree with the other guys. These things tend to drag on and really try a marriage. Buy an existing fixer upper when the opportunity comes, fix it, live in it a while, and then consider the new build.
 

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As nearly as I can tell you forgot to ask the most important questions. What kind of irrigation system and what kind of landscaping are you going to put on your new property?

...and here I was...waiting for.....HOW MUCH? :w00t:
 

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The wiring presents a problem for me too. I will have to hire all of the major stuff out as i dont know code for ele. what so ever. I know a little but not enough to wire the whole house. I wonder what is better... wiring from the top or from the bottom? i would imagine from the bottom would save a little wire... but if we go with a slab.... there goes that idea right? or no?
Either way...no big deal...just let the EC know this is his retirement job.



With the disassemble and move theory, how could the wiring be done to make that easier? Junction thru the wall switches somehow? I know all connections have to be in a box... how might i plan this?
Get some mobile homes or modulars or something.....what you propose will take a lifetime to accomplish....only to move it ?????
 

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I know a guy who spent 13 years building his dream home. And honestly, it truly is an absolutely beautiful house.

And what did it cost him? In his own words.... "My kids and my wife."

Honestly. Upon reflection, he realized how many Little League games, dance recitals, school plays, etc. he missed because we was so wrapped up in building a home for his family. When his wife spent 3 days in the hospital following a car accident, he spent more time at 'the house' than with her. He rarely tucked his kids in at night or read them a story.

When all was said and done, he finished the punchlist and called a realtor.
 

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I do know of one such construction project out in Troy that is underway.

HO bought some property then put a POS mobile home on it.

It's a small lot so he's actually building the house around the mobile home. Last time I was out there (3 to 4 months) he had the frame (steel) and roof (steel) done. He was weathering in the east end and demoing the mobile home as he went.

Eventually he will have a completed home and several dumpsters worth of demo'd mobile home.
 

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Forget all the naysayers. If this is your dream go for it.:thumbsup:

I built my dream home 12 years ago, when my sons were 12 and 14. Took us 15 months, but every nail and board was paid for when it was installed.

We have 5 acres on the lake and had built what is now my shop first and lived in it as we built our home.

It was a great family project, and I am glad we did it but I will not build another one myself again!
 

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Building your own home is something you should take on at some point in your life. There will be stories to tell that are good and those that are of the nightmare brand.

You would do your family a great justice by setting yourself up to limit the nightmare stories to minimum before you start. This journey will be hard enough to stay connected and close to your wife as it is. Trust us older guys that have been down this path before you about this one. No house is worth losing your marriage over.

Here are some points that I think you should take a close look at before you start. This is just me talking so throw caution to the wind where ever you feel the urge.

Get your lot secured and pay off as much of it as you can.

Spend some cash to get the plans drawn up for the house you think you want.

Estimate the whole thing as if you were doing it for someone else. Including the site work and utilities.

If you have a contractor friend, have him check your numbers. The easiest mistake we make is under bidding our own work. Weird but true.

Sweet talk a banker that will make a construction loan for that much. You don't have to use it all but at least it's there.

Focus your full time attention to the project and draw a check to cover your monthly nut.

Sub out the work that you are not that good at to keep the ball rolling.

Take one day off a week to spend with your wife and kids.

Thank your wife for everything she does to help out weather she is slow and awkward or not.


But never ever start this thing without a realistic budget and the financing to match. I mean never ever do it. Ever. I will round up a CT posse and come down there and ***** slap you till you submit.

Do you feel the brotherly love?
 

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Wow! This is why i love CT!!!! I do, i feel the love!!! I knew there would be a varying response and THAT is what i am looking for. HAd i thought about it draggin out.... sure.... had i thought about how long?MMM, a lil bit. About my wife gettin fed up? NAh.... never crossed my mind, but now it has. I think i'm gonna rethink this build as i go thing and pray my credit gets a bit better. God forbid i got hurt and this this thing wasnt finished.
Well, i'd have to get dead not to work, but you know what i'm sayin...what would my wife do then? She'd have to marry some deadbeat, lyin', 2 faced, backstabbin contractor to get it finished... and then i'd have to look down on the POS and throw lightening bolts at him.... Ok... off topic..

I would like to do it as i go... the whole reason... no payments. No paper. No debt. It's mine... and i could borrow on it later. I think to do it all at once it would take me about 4 months. if i figure one day a week, maybe 2... then it suddenly becomes an entire year nearly. That'd be ok even still. There's about 50k in material in this build. It'd take every dime i made to keep it rollin... So retihinkin that build as you go, but still thinkin about doin it. i hadnt thought about usin subs (buddies) that would keep the dust off any way... but drives up my cost even more.

hadnt thought about insuring it...or pullin a permit, dont need one actually, it's in the county, no inspections out there. Which scares me....who's keepin the honest man honest then? My mom in law lives out there and the property we're lookin at is very visible from her house. Plus she's retired, and home alot. So no worries about stuff walkin off.

Before i forget... GUS... thank you for your post and bringing a smile to my face, the comment about the wife helpin brought back memories... she used to help me alot before the boy was concieved, she was the best damn worker i ever had, she was always thinkin ahead of me, ahd common sense, knew what the tools were, and could even measure a bit. I love workin with my wife. Tho she asks a lot of questions and it gets distracting some times when you have numbers in yer head, but she learned fast, worked hard, and learned to appreciate what i did for a living. I remember one evening she came up to me after i had gotten out of the shower and looked at my hands and nearly cried... I had been shingling for a few days, the hands were chewed up good and split and bleeding... she just said, "Honey i love you." WHat's the matter i said... she said she hated that i had to work so hard to take care of us. I told her i wouldnt have it any other way. I nearly cried myself!!! I love that woman, she has stuck beside me so close, thru about everything you could imagine. But thats another topic. A good woman tho, a damn good woman. Wouldnt take 100 others to take her place.


The moving it theory, well, it just makes it more interesting i think! No? i guess the size of the home makes me think we would maybe go bigger some day. We're only talkin abot 14-1500 sq ft. i dunno, i thought it'd be cool to undo a few things, jack er up and haul it down the road if ever the need arrised. Thought some planning would be good. Have to get to work, but look forward to replyin to ya'll all soon,

Ps, Husqy go ahead... I sprecken a lil, But t'aint no needin' fur pokin fun at a fellers draw, Ya know why you dont smile much in the south while visitin from up north? Folks might think you's showin off all them pretty teeth and take 'ffense to it. What would a german accent "look" like ? i'm curious now... c'mon Husqy... show us what you got!!!! Yes, i'm german. Some where back there. Baron is not such a good name over there tho is it?
 

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Leave room for an office and a spare bedroom....you never know. :thumbsup:

Aside from design this is exactly where I am headed. I am on the 2 year plan. I have eliminated all of my debt and now looking for a piece of land and socking away all I can. In two years I hope to have at least a solid acct to draw from while I focus on the house. My credit score is 850 now so maybe a loan will not be so hard to find.
 

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Leave room for an office and a spare bedroom....you never know. :thumbsup:

Aside from design this is exactly where I am headed. I am on the 2 year plan. I have eliminated all of my debt and now looking for a piece of land and socking away all I can. In two years I hope to have at least a solid acct to draw from while I focus on the house. My credit score is 850 now so maybe a loan will not be so hard to find.
I'd love to have a 2 year plan but the place i'm in now doesnt say carpenter... it says ghetto. I was supposed to fix this place up for the land lady... she lost her job and couldnt afford to do the repairs. now i'm stuck in a dump. this was just temp until i found some land and could start building... now my credit flopped and i have nothing saved up either. I just like the idea of not having a payment. If i borrow... i still spend interest money... instead of doing a garage or work shop, or a koi pond. what ever... i dunno... i still wanna do it... just to figure how now. brown cow, sorry, couldnt resist.
 

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One of my co-workers is doing this as we speak.

He made a couple very good decisions. He has a whole house design, but broke it down into additions. That way he has a kitchen, bedroom and living and got a CO in a decent time frame. Then when he is fit to continue building everything is already in place.

The first thing he did was build his garage. He had storage, and a shop to work out of during the home build.

He is also a time trading whore! He does a lot of flat work so he traded electricians, plumbers, and some of us for garage floors, patios, roofs anything we needed help with, as long as we came to help when he needed it.
 
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