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I just don’t understand. Everything I read on the website sort of dogs out soda. 95% of all my work is done using soda and I make great money part time with it. I could almost understand people not liking it if they (I have read this on this site) are using 1000 pounds for 450 sq feet for brick or stone and only charging 750 dollars for the job. Using the same example I would only have to use less than 100 pounds of soda. I get 3.00 per sq foot so I would charge 1350 for the job. I can average 200 to 300 sq feet an hour using my number 5 nozzle, so in lets just say four hours to include all clean up. I would have used 12 dollars in fuel, 50 dollars in media, 42 in insurance. And 140 dollars applied to my machine. Now I have made over 1100 in the morning and still have time to get to the golf course.

Admitting that not every job is this perfect and I do a lot of vehicles and there is less money in them ( I charge 160.00 an hour for mobile service). I still make a good bit of money and normally I only work two days a week ( I Police the rest of the week). I am training a man now to help, because I am getting more work that the two days will allow me to do.

I always read about people talking about soda and paint. To all that are trying to use water and vinegar to do wash down to prep for paint: You are going about it wrong. I use Hold 102 and yes I will past the warranty on here shortly with a long list of paints that warranty’s soda blasting and use of hold tight together.

Eveyone is probably biased to their own pots, and I do not blame any one for that. I own a muti-use pot and I know it was a money pit. I now only use it for sand. My soda pot is the ONLY patented soda blast pot on the market. I can do twice the work and use half the soda. I actually can call the person I bought mine from, and ask him questions at any time. I have his cell phone and house number! That is kind of service that I needed when getting into business for myself.

I guess why I am writing this is I just don’t understand why people dog soda. All right I am off to clean 34 transmissions at an hour apiece.:thumbup:

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I believe you are refering to one of my posts. It is glass for the 450 sf and I havn't seen it yet. I am just figuring for the most it may take. The fellow actually was trying to do it him self and called me to ask where to buy sand for his rented pot. The stuff he had was cloging the pot. I need the experienc as well as some cash so I kept the price pretty low. I'll take the five or six hundred for now. I did in fact just use soda to remove a coating and stain from a bridge on the pa turn pike. It used about 120 lbs over the 260 s.f.. I infact asked for $3.5 per s .f. and they could not have been more pleased with the out come. I also used soda, only a couple hundred lbs, on tuesday for a lightly painted brick wall and again a very happy customer. I know the soda only pots are much better but I'm not sure you get 300 s.f. of heavy paint off of brick with just 50 lbs? What kind of job do you get that kind of coverage from? Soda isn't as quick as glass and I have done as little as ten s.f. with 50 lbs on painted block. Any body else getting hundreds of s.f. of paint removal with a bag or two.
 

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Invbrock, is it from Stacey in chesapeake, I to have the guys cell and Home number too,
I can get about 45 mins with 50lbs, but I tend to run it on the ritch side
just did a 57 chevy, blasted around the trim and windows with soda but had to use glass on the rest because of rust.

I use soda alot too, but when it comes down to money and time you got to go with what works the first time and and gets the results the first time.

like I've said on here before, There is a different media for every job.
you can argue allday about soda vs. "whatever"

but in the end its about how fast you can make a Dollar, with the costumer being happy and so you can get home to the wife and kidds.
 

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I have a soda only pot made by MMLJ and I may get flamed for saying this
but I will put it up against any pot out there, Ive never had a moments down time at all. I have owned it 8 years now and put many many hours on it.

Soda is outstanding for certain jobs,but sooner or later, if you do different jobs, you will find a need for a different type media. sometimes the soda is just not hard enough to do a specific job. So if you stick to the soda only, you are going to limit yourself sooner or later.

You may eventually want to turn soda only pot into a "multimedia pot"

So i don't know if its so much that most of us dislike soda, its just that you can grow into needing more options, or you may find something you like better.
 

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Invbrock,

Are you marketing transmission shops?
I hadnt thought of that.
If so, would you mind giving some more info?
Pricing, are you doing inside and out? and how you got started doing them?

Thanks
 

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Some soda work I just did.

Invbrock,

This is a bridge in Valley Forge Pa that I used soda on. The contractor called me after he saw the work and siad it was perfect. We did not loose any texture which was his main concern when he hired me. And the Park is very cautious about any work being done there , if you disturb a deer turd you have to put it back before you leave. They were happy with the choice of media as well.
 

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I never thought of transmission shops either. I was set up at a Farm show in South Georgia and they came to me. The guy that it is running the place was from up north and that it how they did it. It's a god send i never would have called on a trans shop myself.
 

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On the pricing end of the trans, I just charged like everything else 160.00 an hour. They want me there every 10 days for a full eight hours, or depended if they have more than eight hours worth of work. I am guaranteed 16 hours a month, so I did cut out my drop fee for having to travel an hour away to do the work. We work outside at there place. They forklift them to me as we need. It’s a good gig, probably so far my best repeat customer. I will post some pictures shortly. Now for the reason and a good sales pitch for anyone that wants its. They want them to look new when they go out. A lot of them are for Military so they have to by the SSPC standards. When I get through they look brand new and they can rebuild the inside and ship them off. If they clean them it takes them a full day to dip one get it clean and then have the EPA and OSHA come by and crawl up their but for safety. Both EPA, OSHA, and workers comp. have paid me a visit on the site and done everything from check my safety gear to checking the soil. All three approved and since then I have not seen them. That don’t mean they won’t come back.

Now for everyone else I totally agree that one type of media is a death sentence in this biz. I still use sand, but the EPA around here now wants to give you a fit about taking the sand four and half hours away to have it properly disposed of. I don’t have the time for that or the money.

I love the pics and the comments on this thread please keep them coming. Besides the trans shop I also do a little work at an OSB plant, anyone else have any cool gigs out there.
 

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in Maine the EPA and DEP are real strict too.
any silica sand or boat bottom paint is classified as Hazadous Material or Special Material. Booth have to be handled and transported and brought to a state dump site.. and so on.

I was just talking to a friend thats a house painter and the rules for lead paint removal on houses are going nuts in April 2010. I will try to post an artical or start a thread on it. keep an eye out for it.

Soon the regs will be so bad that there wont be and of us around......... :eek:
 

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I soda blasted some car parts for a show never really did it before and I was impressed with the results very smooth finish. It's strange how many different openions of soda on cars there are. I can find guys who hate soda and say the primer will lift after a few years. I can fine guys that say it worked great and have done 100's of cars without issue. Some use Hold tight some use hot water and dawn soap how can you know what to do. Probably a good way would be to do some tests see what works well. I own a hot water pressure washer I'm going to rent out. Have yet to blast my first car only been blasting for a few months. I did my first red brick house yesterday with maxxstrip worked really good the owner was really impressed. I only used 1 bag of 50 lbs media took me about 3 1/2 hours to blast 450 SQFT. I was in a residential so I didn't want to turn the pressure up all the way was running about 75psi. I think if I had turned it up more I could have gotten a bigger blast pattern.
 

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I soda blasted some car parts for a show never really did it before and I was impressed with the results very smooth finish. It's strange how many different openions of soda on cars there are. I can find guys who hate soda and say the primer will lift after a few years. I can fine guys that say it worked great and have done 100's of cars without issue. Some use Hold tight some use hot water and dawn soap how can you know what to do. Probably a good way would be to do some tests see what works well. I own a hot water pressure washer I'm going to rent out. Have yet to blast my first car only been blasting for a few months. I did my first red brick house yesterday with maxxstrip worked really good the owner was really impressed. I only used 1 bag of 50 lbs media took me about 3 1/2 hours to blast 450 SQFT. I was in a residential so I didn't want to turn the pressure up all the way was running about 75psi. I think if I had turned it up more I could have gotten a bigger blast pattern.
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Pic of redbrick house

Here are 2 from the house the after pic isn't that good because it was late afternoon and a shadow is on it. I might run by there and take some more for the website.
 

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That looks great Kell. I am not familiar with max strip. Do you use that in a regular blast pot? I am impressed that it went for over three hours with 50 lbs. Even a good soda only pot gets about one hour. Was there paint or just dirt and stains there?
 

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Glen it was just dirt and splashed paint 54 years old. My pot is made by MMLJ its a multi use pot It was about 100 lbs maybe 90 little less then 2 bags about 400-500 sq ft 3-3 1/2hrs. I originally asked for $500 but he never called back so I told him Ill do it for $425 because I need some money coming in.
 

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MMLJ/Sodablast Systems

I hate to tell you that the MMLJ/Sodablast System pots are 1939 Sanstorm sand blast pots. It's stamped right on top. That pot was converted to soda by Joe Alexander of The Soda Works for MMLJ back in the late 90's. Knowing the design and it's inherent high flow issues, Joe patented the only true, dedicated soda blast pot design in 2006 and it burns way less soda per hour than anything out there. I know, I owned an MMLJ for 1.5 years and sold it after I couldn't make a profit doing boats. I switched to The Soda Works and Natrium Products soda and things changed instantly. The Sanstorm story is viewable at The Soda Works web site.
 

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Your right, MMLJ is the Sanstorm pot.
I just bought a 350 lb Sanstorm pot and I can run all day off of it shooting soda and I haven't had a problem. I bought it because Ive been running a 75lb pot from them for 5 years and never had a problem.

Just because something was made in the 30's doesn't make it a bad product.
I say its a proven design, and I wouldn't go to bat for it if it was not good equipment.

Why not have a pot that shoots it all?
 

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I hear from a lot of MMLJ guys (me too in the past) that the soda is either on or off with no real ability to fine tune it. When I was using Maintenance Plus, I would go through 2 bags an hour and that was just not profitable. Switching to Natrium helped as it's twice the grain size and cut faster. I like two pots, one for soda and one for abrasive media. That way I can switch between medias fast with no waste. And, I don't want any abrasive left in the pot when switching back to soda. There are way better metering valves on the market today that let you fine tune the flow. I sell tons of Natrium 260 and 300 to MMLJ users up and down the east coast and they are generally a happy bunch (except a guy in NJ that is using 2 to 3 bags an hour on cars, ouch!). Forcast Sales is selling some internal wear parts for the MMLJ pots now too.
 

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Kell , did your tape hold up where you maked the windows off. I blue taped a window and door in an adition and it blew right off when I got near it. Got a lot of dust in the house but they didn't mind this time. I think I should have taped the plastic up on the inside so it wouldn't blow away. Is that what any one else here does?
 
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