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Alum Soffit for cantilever first floor question.

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#1 · (Edited)
I need some suggestions on how to soffit a cantilever area. The 70's home has T1-11 which hangs over past the existing 3/8" plywood soffit nailed to the bottom of the joists on the exterior. I would like to add a aluminum soffit which is flush with the bottom of the T1-11 (1 1/2" below the existing plywood soffit). But I dont want to nail the soffit to the edge of the old T1-11. And the only reason I need to do this is to hide the nails which will penetrate the T1-11 when I nail the starter strip on which would be seen walking out of the garage.

What would be the correct way?

Nail your alum F channel to the home, and add a nailer on the inside of the overhanging T1-11 flush with the bottom? Not sure if like this method because I could not hide the soffit nails without making a trim piece with 1 1/2" leg instead of the normal 5/8" since I need to hit the nailer "behind" the T1-11 siding.

Or how else could I hide the nails without soffiting this area?
 

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#2 ·
It sounds like you really don't want to soffit the cant.
You could cut off the overhanging T1-11, bend up an L bend and then install your starter strip.

You could bend up longer starter strip so the nails won't be exposed underneath.

From the angle in the pic it looks like it is high in the air, why not just soffit it?

Shim it all down 1 1/2" and nail up j instead of f.
Or upside down f channel up against the house.

Bob
 
#3 · (Edited)
Thanks.. And your right. I dont really want to, but exposed nails wont work. I cant cut it off because the rest of the home has the T1-11 down to that point. And out of 3 areas. Only one is visible but I want consistency. The bottom edge T1-11 has seen better days and isnt perfect straight. And I didnt mention Im using vertical board and batten vinyl which needs a J on the bottom (nails up 1 1/2") so I cant bend up a longer starter with the J being vinyl.

I dont really have any choice except to do your last suggestion. But the details arnt clear to me yet. One option is to use the drop from the board and batten (at least 1' each) as the soffit material.
And fur down 1 1/2" and nail over sheathing to attach the B&B J channels and siding.
 

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#4 ·
I think I'm obviously missing somthing here since this is a very basic soffit area that is dealt with routinely, and has no bearing if using starter strip or J channel per horizontal siding or vertical siding.

Cap the freeze board against the house and brick and leave it over hang up towards plywood soffit. Install your J channel against the newly capped freeze board. You could either rip a chunk of 2x and screw it up under the existing soffit behind the existing T1-11 so the new soffit your installing will come out to either sit just behind the existing T1-11 or against it. Either wy your going to have to cap with an L shapped piece on all sides of this canatlever so it will hide any nials protruding through T1-11 since it will be above the new soffit you just installed. Not to mention the 2x filler/backer you will install will also give your nails for the J you'll be using some actual meat to drive into.

Now that I've given my $.02, tell me what I'm missing here or is so hard about this detail?:blink:
 
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Thanks all. And I completely understand what most of you are saying. Hard to explain. But furring with 1 1/2" drops the soffit 'below' the siding bottom, but will hide and better secure the ring shank nails I have for the siding bottom j channel. Not a look we are after though. Soffit should not stand proud below the siding. And furring with 3/4" to get the shallow hollow area we are aiming for will make the siding J
channel nails graze off the furring edge inside and maybe into the soffit material. Just to close for comfort. Yes ,the siding J channel nails are 1 1/2" above the finished edge. And this still only provides a very shallow area. And to throw another curve ball. The existing cant soffit and joists have dropped 1/2" over the garage door important area. If I finish this area it will need to be shimmed level or the new soffit even lower on both sides of the garage not pictured. Im tempted to look into extending my siding bottom J channel (I dont need a starter strip with B&B) high enough where the nails wont be seen under the cant and just cap the bottom edge of the T1-11 because its weathered. And then I could install what ever I wanted tight on the existing soffit without the nails in the way.

I have seen aluminum starter strip extended lower with aluminum coil stock pop riveted above. But I dont think aluminum would be a good material choice with its different expansion rate than vinyl. Do they make vinyl coil stock?

By now you may have figured out Im the jack leg home owner. But one who wont settle for jack leg results. I appreciate your time greatly.