I like this post.In my late teens early 20's I worked for a guy that was laid back but let you know when you needed to step it up. His lead man was an ass. I went thru so much abuse by him it wasn't funny. I had some rough edges, to be sure, but at that age I was like a lot of young guys I was just trying to figure things out. After a few years of this I finally had it. I blew up and called him out. We were framing a 2 story and I told him I had enough of his bull**** and said meet me downstairs. ( I was probably going to get my ass kicked but I didn't care). I waited down there for a good while and he never came down. He started leaving me alone after that. I guess we teach others what we will tolerate in work relationships. I try to be aware of situations at work now that can be seen as abusive and strive to shut them down. I don't want anyone else to go thru that.
For a bit of perspective, try being a noob with a masonry crew. I never was, but from stories I've heard, I wouldn't make it.
Especially a union crew....been there, done that!I quit after 3 days on a high production commercial masonry crew that was behind schedule
Completely agree. Men have gone soft and western civilization as a whole is suffering for it. I can’t name a good mechanic or a neat electrician or a reasonable plumber. The trouble with making doctors wages as a tradesman is that no one understands what a tradesmen does anymore!Man when I was starting out, abuse was just how the day went. It drove me to drink, a lot, but it drove me to succeed, and I will confidently tell you I'm a better carpenter than any of those leads. Some people don't need that kind of push, many do. Others are too dang soft and bail. Bye Felicia. I'm the lead now, it's a completely different perspective, full of so much more stress than you have now. If you don't want to deal with an abusive lead, ask for your own crew and run it your way. And if you don't want to have to rip stuff out and re-do it, do it right the first time. Don't use schedule as an excuse, you can be pushing on time and still execute well, you see it time and time again from the guys on this forum.
No, but there are plenty of sites where the lead isn’t really a leader, but is a motivated go getter that doesn’t know how to set up others around him to be successful and then yell at them because he is not as good as he should be.I can’t remember any jobs where the foreman said “take as long as you like, forget the schedule, and no problem if you screw it up and have to rip it all out”.
Ya, it's a psychological fact that stressed employees are less productive than happy ones. You're ahead of the game for picking up on that.As a young lead carpenter (19 yr old). Leading multi million dollar homes and building projects, and putting on my bags every single day to surpass expectations as often as I can muster.
I can attest to a lack of accountability and a surplus of abuse in the workplace. And yes that’s common, and yes I deal with it from my superiors, but I personally try to be opposite, it’s true that people don’t work harder for someone that doesn’t respect them. I’ve had people get hurt on the job because they were angry or emotional because of irrational attitudes and overall an unprofessional outlook. I try to make the site as enjoyable and respectful as possible (while of course having banter and jokes, this is still framing guys)
but I can find that with the two worst & newest guys, I can outwork a crew with a 15 yr experienced lead and the next two best framers. And I believe the reason to be the environment I try to encourage. We work more efficiently and harder together when we want to help eachother out because we genuinely care.
i know these environments are few and far between. But the factors weigh against me, experience, age, physical strength. But my result is quicker, cleaner, and more consistent all the time.