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I ran across a RE investor this morning. I'm frustrated with his expectations regarding scheduling and at how little he was willing to pay. How do we get these investors to improve their attitudes and unwillingness to pay experienced tradesmen for quality work?
You do not. It is IMPOSSIBLE to obtain reasonable bid values from these low life scum that have been taught by some investor group that no contractor should charge over 12.50 an hour per man regardless of trade.
How to deal with them:
Explain that you always obtain permits, and the fees involved. Then explain that you file pre-lien notices and notices of commencement to protect the OWNER and Contractor from third party fraud. Explain the costs. Then tell them that you charge $150 per partial lien release and 100 per full lien release. Then explain the difference between T&M and bidding and change orders.
I guaranty that each of those you charge to every home owner in a remodel, why would you do less for some wealthy idiot attempting to screw you and the buyer?
I also guaranty that the MOMENT you mention pre-lien notices they will RUN. Ends the entire issue.
 

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You do not. It is IMPOSSIBLE to obtain reasonable bid values from these low life scum that have been taught by some investor group that no contractor should charge over 12.50 an hour per man regardless of trade.
How to deal with them:
Explain that you always obtain permits, and the fees involved. Then explain that you file pre-lien notices and notices of commencement to protect the OWNER and Contractor from third party fraud. Explain the costs. Then tell them that you charge $150 per partial lien release and 100 per full lien release. Then explain the difference between T&M and bidding and change orders.
I guaranty that each of those you charge to every home owner in a remodel, why would you do less for some wealthy idiot attempting to screw you and the buyer?
I also guaranty that the MOMENT you mention pre-lien notices they will RUN. Ends the entire issue.
He was just joking :)
 

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You do not. It is IMPOSSIBLE to obtain reasonable bid values from these low life scum that have been taught by some investor group that no contractor should charge over 12.50 an hour per man regardless of trade.
How to deal with them:
Explain that you always obtain permits, and the fees involved. Then explain that you file pre-lien notices and notices of commencement to protect the OWNER and Contractor from third party fraud. Explain the costs. Then tell them that you charge $150 per partial lien release and 100 per full lien release. Then explain the difference between T&M and bidding and change orders.
I guaranty that each of those you charge to every home owner in a remodel, why would you do less for some wealthy idiot attempting to screw you and the buyer?
I also guaranty that the MOMENT you mention pre-lien notices they will RUN. Ends the entire issue.
Or just walk away laughing at them.
 

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You do not. It is IMPOSSIBLE to obtain reasonable bid values from these low life scum that have been taught by some investor group that no contractor should charge over 12.50 an hour per man regardless of trade.
How to deal with them:
Explain that you always obtain permits, and the fees involved. Then explain that you file pre-lien notices and notices of commencement to protect the OWNER and Contractor from third party fraud. Explain the costs. Then tell them that you charge $150 per partial lien release and 100 per full lien release. Then explain the difference between T&M and bidding and change orders.
I guaranty that each of those you charge to every home owner in a remodel, why would you do less for some wealthy idiot attempting to screw you and the buyer?
I also guaranty that the MOMENT you mention pre-lien notices they will RUN. Ends the entire issue.
Isn't it easier to just say no?... :oops:
 

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Flippers need contractors more than contractors need flippers.

Flippers call contractors, contractors don’t call flippers.

Nothing wrong with wanting to maximize profits, but flippers generally want to do it at the expense of others. That’s why anyone who has been around more than six months normally stays away from flippers. Flippers will take advantage of anyone who will let them.

Flippers need to mend their reputation a lot more than contractors do.


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I used to install crown moulding on cabinets for a friend that flipped houses. One I’m climbing up my 4’ ladder and use the top of the cabinet to balance myself, the cabinet pulled right off the wall. Took about a minute to find the stud to put a screw in.
 
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