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Hey guys, I'm bidding on a roofing job later and I don't do many roofs. I JUST launched my own business so I'm taking everything I can get. I was wondering if someone could give me some insight on approx how long it would take for 2 HARD working guys to finish a 16 square roof. No tear off. Thanks
 

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Hey guys, I'm bidding on a roofing job later and I don't do many roofs. I JUST launched my own business so I'm taking everything I can get. I was wondering if someone could give me some insight on approx how long it would take for 2 HARD working guys to finish a 16 square roof. No tear off. Thanks
2 experienced men 1 day if it's walkable and not to cut up.
 

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depends on the pitch, dormers ect I was gonna say 2 days also, I would try to sell the tear off if possiable just for shingle life, my 2 cents
 

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Ok just an update on this. Got to the site and the roof is in terrible condition. Here's what we're dealing with:

1 story modular home. It looks about a 4 pitch so it's very walkable. 2 layers. One ridge down the middle and another short one on porch. Two short valleys on the porch. Full tear-off. Front side is getting new decking and the HO is fine with that. I told them it looks like once we strip the back most of the decking will need replaced. They seemed ok with that if it's needed. Again, this is a 16 sq roof. HO is having all materials delivered. Told me we just need to load the shingles on their trailers and they'll dispose of them. Yard is very easily accessible.

When I gave them my bid they told me it was quite a bit more than others have offered. I eventually get her to tell me they were looking for somewhere around 1,700. Located in Indiana. I am thinking about lowering my bid closer to what she suggests. Any thoughts on that?
 

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Ok just an update on this. Got to the site and the roof is in terrible condition. Here's what we're dealing with:

1 story modular home. It looks about a 4 pitch so it's very walkable. 2 layers. One ridge down the middle and another short one on porch. Two short valleys on the porch. Full tear-off. Front side is getting new decking and the HO is fine with that. I told them it looks like once we strip the back most of the decking will need replaced. They seemed ok with that if it's needed. Again, this is a 16 sq roof. HO is having all materials delivered. Told me we just need to load the shingles on their trailers and they'll dispose of them. Yard is very easily accessible.

When I gave them my bid they told me it was quite a bit more than others have offered. I eventually get her to tell me they were looking for somewhere around 1,700. Located in Indiana. I am thinking about lowering my bid closer to what she suggests. Any thoughts on that?
Never ever let the customer dictate what you charge. Once you start your customers own you.

Tell her good luck with one of the other contractors, have a nice day and move on to the next. I know that right now you are hungry, but lowering your bid doesn't put food on your table.

This is a great opportunity to sell your value.
 

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One days worth of labor and you were substantially higher than $1700. Assuming an 8 hour day, that's just over $53/hr/man. You trying to get rich off one roof?
 

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If you don't do many roofs, are you sure that you're insured to do just roofs? I know that's an exclusion in my GL. I'm allowed to roof a small addition that I built but I'm not allowed to act as a roofing contractor.
 

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Ok just an update on this. Got to the site and the roof is in terrible condition. Here's what we're dealing with: 1 story modular home. It looks about a 4 pitch so it's very walkable. 2 layers. One ridge down the middle and another short one on porch. Two short valleys on the porch. Full tear-off. Front side is getting new decking and the HO is fine with that. I told them it looks like once we strip the back most of the decking will need replaced. They seemed ok with that if it's needed. Again, this is a 16 sq roof. HO is having all materials delivered. Told me we just need to load the shingles on their trailers and they'll dispose of them. Yard is very easily accessible. When I gave them my bid they told me it was quite a bit more than others have offered. I eventually get her to tell me they were looking for somewhere around 1,700. Located in Indiana. I am thinking about lowering my bid closer to what she suggests. Any thoughts on that?
So that's 40 a sq each layer and 40 on. That's less than I pay a good sub. Try to sell why you are the best choice, don't lower your price. How would the plywood change order be handled? Probably best to Move on!
 

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If you don't have liability insurance I wouldn't do any roofs. Most start up companies cant afford liability insurance, and if this applies to you, I would reconsider. It only takes one leak to sink you big time. Doesn't sound like you have much experience at roofing to me.
 

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1700 bucks to tear off 2 layers, replace as much as 25 sheets of osb and 16 square of shingles? Tell them to kiss your tail. I wouldn't do the tear off for 1700 bucks, much less the rest of it. I understand that you have to eat but you should understand that your customer is trying to get something for nothing. I'd run FAST, but that's me.
 

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One days worth of labor and you were substantially higher than $1700. Assuming an 8 hour day, that's just over $53/hr/man. You trying to get rich off one roof?
You don't know much about roofing costs do you?

My main guy costs me over $38 an hour.

On a 16 sq labor job like that without materials I would be over 3k for just providing the labor.
 

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One days worth of labor and you were substantially higher than $1700. Assuming an 8 hour day, that's just over $53/hr/man. You trying to get rich off one roof?
Your math doesn't work. Did you mean two days?

Around here if you want to just make a $1000 take home a week you have make $1450 after Taxes, FICA and the like. That does not include WC and Unemployment insurance. $53 may cover those costs and taxes for an hour of labor. If I am doing a labor only job, which it sounds like this is, I would then need to tack on company overhead and whatever profit I wanted to make.

No one is getting rich charging $53 a man hour. :no:
 

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Your math doesn't work. Did you mean two days?

Around here if you want to just make a $1000 take home a week you have make $1450 after Taxes, FICA and the like. That does not include WC and Unemployment insurance. $53 may cover those costs and taxes for an hour of labor. If I am doing a labor only job, which it sounds like this is, I would then need to tack on company overhead and whatever profit I wanted to make.

No one is getting rich charging $53 a man hour. :no:
It's 2 guys. If they could actually pull it off in 8-10 hours then it wouldn't be a bad rate for a new company assuming that they aren't equal partners. That's about what most small remodeling/construction companies charge around here.

When you're new in the biz and a lot slower than competing specialists you WILL end up having to charge less per actual man hour. Why would someone pay more for a job done by the new generalist on the block than for an established roofing company.

I'm not advocating for the OP to go back with a lower price. If you bid what you thought you needed to make money, stick to your gut.
 

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When you're new in the biz and a lot slower than competing specialists you WILL end up having to charge less per actual man hour. Why would someone pay more for a job done by the new generalist on the block than for an established roofing company.
WILL is definitetive, and I don't believe that you can make a definitive statement when there are so many more variables at play. That's why I also said that he needs to sell his value.

I don't think that he is charging more. Whether you are a startup or not you still have to cover costs and make a profit.
 
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