Yep, a good way to buy votes with other peoples money.
Agreed... but who is responsible for them making it? Them or the government?
Why shouldn't the government set a "living wage" for everyone and that's what everyone makes no matter their skill set or motivation?
It's not just plumbers.I know a few guys who have been decent plumber's helpers for a long time....can plumb as good some master plumbers......but, they simply cannot get past the test. I would also agree that by design, plumbers have protected their trade in a positive way, it obviously isn't for everyone.
So if a framing carpenter or a trim guy misses a measurement, or gets a wall out of plumb, the world is upside down? :whistlingIt's not just plumbers.
Elevator operators? Same thing.
Sprinkler fitters? Same thing.
steam fitters? Same thing.
Carpenters should be licensed and restricted.
I'm not getting in to this. To be an A&P is so easy it's not even worth the discussion.And you missed my point. You like what you do, and that is great. I have been an A&P ofr 20+ years and held an IA for many years when I was still active. While I would agree, generally, that most homebuilders are anal...as pilots can be, there are exceptions....so I say lets make it a Federal law that you can't do anything except check the oil and gas, and make it a complete license...2500 or so hours to be legal....how would you like that?
You would not. But...most guys flying homebuilt airplanes are not going to kill anyone except themselves for being dumb.
Mike pack your bags and go back to leftist land. :laughing:I'm 100% in favor of trade protection.
Airplanes. My current project is experimental, long list of rules on this.
But what I can tell you is that the quality far surpasses certified. My wood wings for example, the 780 - 1/16" thick rib gussets are aircraft grade mahogany. 7 separate operations, measured with dial calipers to be within thousandths of an inch. The A&P's call us nuts and say just cut it and glue it. But to us who build this is our lives in it. It's perfection or nothing.
Most homebuilders are extremely anal about quality.
I'm not getting in to this. To be an A&P is so easy it's not even worth the discussion.
No, because it doesn't stop hacks, the more barriers to entry the more hacks there are because the actual price is above the natural level so people seek out hacks that are cheaper.Why? Do you enjoy homes being hacked up by anybody with a hammer?
I've been in enough homes to see the result of these idiots. Homeowners deserve better.
If that makes me a lefty then so be it. I could care less about those words.
Boy, ever since Nathan left politics is allowed in almost every thread now.
People who build experimental airplanes become A&P's all the time, there's all sorts of rules. Everybody I know is an A&P. They are everywhere.Now I know you are full of it.
You must take 600 hours of general instruction at a school, or document the required time...and then 900 hours or airframe, and then 900 of powerplant, complete with documentation and sign offs. All in a part 147 school, or by qualified instruction....and that don't mean your local fuel truck driver, or your military DD214 any longer. That ended a few years back.
And then, after all the paperwork and training has been reviewed, and approved by the GADO, you then get to take the oral and practicals, plus written tests with 300 questions out of a possible 2700.
Yep....easy would only be if you have found a way to circumvent the law pal, and then your ticket ain't worth the laminated plastic covering it.
I hold multiple ratings, including MEII, and AGI, as well, and none of the ratings were as difficult as the A&P. I taught in a 147 school for a few years back in the late '90s, so yeah, I call BS.
Kiss the ring Mike.People who build experimental airplanes become A&P's all the time, there's all sorts of rules. Everybody I know is an A&P. They are everywhere.
Anyhow, you'll fight me till the end just like the JF discussion, until you are personally upset..... then shut the thread down. That's how you roll.
You should be eliminated as a mod. Why don't you share the PM you sent me with the group? You know, the one where you asked me to make a pubic apology?
I'm done. Drop it.