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Are those Sunco's?

I have put together and installed many knock-down cabinets. They are easy to assemble and you only need a one sort of speciality tool.
The one's I have done were solid plywood boxes with solid wood face frames and doors.

The price was great, tons of people liked everything about them and I made great money on them. Most went into insurance work kitchen jobs.

Over all they were not too bad at all, for what they were.

I heard Leo sends his cabinets out like that now days!!:laughing:
 
The only way my cabinets could be flat packed is if they were run over by a steam roller.

My version of a flat packed kitchen

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Never ordered RTA cabinets before, though a door/drawer supplier of mine will actually make all the pieces and deliver them. Just specify the sizes and material and they use their CNC machines to cut them out. I typically build them myself, or order them already built/assembled/stained and ready for install. I think I would only use them for garage cabinets or commercial.
 
Some of the furniture that I have seen at Costco & Sam's have very cleverly disguised particle board, yet they market it as solid wood. Once, I bought a couple of bookshelves at Sam's & I could only find a single 1" square area of particle board that wasn't skinned over. Very clever indeed.
Steve

Yes 8 of our factories are in China, our warehouse and show room location is in San Jose. These producst pass industry guidlines and the company supplies larger vendors like COSTCO, American Tile, and other international brands. We are actually one of only a handful of companies that is even allowed to import assembled cabinets from China (legally) There's still others out there who give products like these a bad name, so I do understand fully what you mean, and it's not for everyone.



Tatoo, so the HO purchaced from IKEA and then had you assemble and install? Honestly thats the first time I have heard of that. How many guys did you have working in the assembly process?

Will come back tomorrow to try and hit the other comments, freakin starving, thanks guys...
 
You mean I can outsource the box parts too? Hmmm... I'll have to take a serious look into that.:laughing:

I cut parts for other shops from time to time. Essentially creating a flat packed job. But ours is completely custom to their design. From the little I know about places like Cab Parts and the like you can order custom sizes from their library of boxes. Not a whole lot of ability to customize.

This kind of thing either works for you or it doesn't.
Shoot- I try to have someone else cut all my box components. I don't have a $100k CNC, but I know shops that do. They can Mill a sheet of ply into all the components that can be cut from it in 15 minutes- and that's with all shelf and component holes drilled, edge banded and ready for assembly. The ones I use are from Thermwood owners and use blind dado construction, making assembly simple enough for most laborers.

The other nice thing is that I have their software and can build an entire kitchen on the computer.

Flat packing has its place. I prefer to buy them from local shops though- I have cut enough casework to know I can, and also to know that it's stupid for me to do so without a significant equipment outlay. Oh- and infinitely customizable, too.

They aren't KD cabinets- although I could order them so if I wanted. KD can be pretty good- the fastening methods can be very strong- strong enough to meet most AWI standards.
 
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Thanks for all the input. lol...skimming over particle board.. geezzz. I have to admit it doesnt suprise me though. I certainly suggest to do some research on the company if you buy anything from an importer. Like I said before, there is only a hand full of companys that can even import cabinets from China legally.

Again thanks for the feedback (not trying to sell anything here 99.9% of our customers contact us), I guess it could work for some people, I was just having a hard time figureing out how, and under what circumstance it could work for smaller jobs.
 
Shoot- I try to have someone else cut all my box components. I don't have a $100k CNC, but I know shops that do. They can Mill a sheet of ply into all the components that can be cut from it in 15 minutes- and that's with all shelf and component holes drilled, edge banded and ready for assembly. The ones I use are from Thermwood owners and use blind dado construction, making assembly simple enough for most laborers.

The other nice thing is that I have their software and can build an entire kitchen on the computer.

Flat packing has its place. I prefer to buy them from local shops though- I have cut enough casework to know I can, and also to know that it's stupid for me to do so without a significant equipment outlay. Oh- and infinitely customizable, too.

They aren't KD cabinets- although I could order them so if I wanted. KD can be pretty good- the fastening methods can be very strong- strong enough to meet most AWI standards.
You are using a shop similar to mine.
It does help a ton when the other guy uses the same software as me.

Tuesday we get our new bander up and running. That will help in selling a complete package to anyone that wants to do a frameless job.



we did this job for someone else. All these parts in a couple days.



 
You are using a shop similar to mine.
It does help a ton when the other guy uses the same software as me.

Tuesday we get our new bander up and running. That will help in selling a complete package to anyone that wants to do a frameless job.

we did this job for someone else. All these parts in a couple days.
Yep- very similar. Is that a Thermwood or something else?

Nothing wrong with PB in the right place. Business is about providing the product the customer wants at the best price and best quality they are paying for. Fastest way to go out of business is to build everything with the best methods and materials regardless of what the client wants and is paying for.

They might want solid wood throughout, but they know they can't afford it. If you provide solid wood at a PB price it won't be appreciated.
 
I do installs for a couple local lumber yards and the RTA cabinet market is the biggest money maker for me and so I don't mind them. Money helps....

I get the same amount for installs either way ( RTA or assembled) for the cabinets themselves but for the RTA cabs I charge $25 /box and $50 for a full height box just for assembly. I've never seen face framed RTA.

I have a young inexperienced guy that gets $12/hour and he assembles an average kitchen (26 cabinets + a couple vanities) in about 8 hours. If I'm really flying on the actual installation (doesn't happen very often) he has no problem staying ahead of me. I just give him the order I want them

On day 2 he hangs/adjusts the doors, installs pulls etc while I do crown, light rail. Works very well for me and I make more on the crappy cabinets that most buyers here want.

This is with new homes. Remodel work is a completely different animal...
 
I hear that Gus' shop mice actually glow in the dark from all of the chemicals in that stuff.
Steve
We don't have no stinking mice.:no:

Got a few shop rats though. All on the up and up complete with worker's comp and everything.:thumbsup:
 
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