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Discussion starter · #1 ·
My buddy rents a shop and the owner had an electrician come through to find the faults in the electric system and he told my buddy something I found pretty odd.

The EXIT sign for the door to the outside needs to have a lit EXIT and white lights that are battery operated. That I get. Then he said they also need to have one on the outside of the door. Not sure if it was just the white light or the sign combination.

Is this correct? Is it something new? I've never heard of it nor have I seen it implemented. The building is in Connecticut.

Doesn't affect me, just really curious.
 
Discussion starter · #4 ·
I'm sure about that. But it was an electrician saying it not the fire marshal.

And if it was the exit sign too, that would just be stupid. The white light is really getting a bit too much. Maybe we need to mandate to have a guy waiting out there to help little old ladies down the stairs too.

I shouldn't give them any ideas.
 
Discussion starter · #6 ·
A commercial building. Just like mine needs to have exit signs with white lighting as per the fire marshal.
 
I'm sure about that. But it was an electrician saying it not the fire marshal.

And if it was the exit sign too, that would just be stupid. The white light is really getting a bit too much. Maybe we need to mandate to have a guy waiting out there to help little old ladies down the stairs too.

I shouldn't give them any ideas.
It has been code for many years and the electrician is the one who usually installs them
When I did work in schools they had to have battery backup also
 
The light on the outside of the door does not have to be an exit sign. It does have to come on when the Exit sign goes to battery. The logic is during dark hours people can see their path from the building and first responders can locate the door from a distance. It’s been 15-20 years since I had to retrofit a few buildings. Some things may have changed. I’d have to go back and look but I recall it needs 35 minutes run time.

The building I’m in we have NFPA 72 required battery interior lights that go on if the power goes out. They check them every year during the fire system inspection to make sure the batteries are healthy.

Tom
 
The Connecticut State Building Code requires that exit signs for accessible doors meet certain standards, including:
Exit lettering
The word "EXIT" must be clearly legible in letters that are at least 6 inches tall
International Symbol of Accessibility
The symbol must be at least 6 inches tall and be incorporated into the exit sign or located next to it
Location
The sign must be located at the level of exit discharge and lead directly to accessible paths of exit discharge
Paths
The paths must also be marked with the International Symbol of Accessibility

As the code requirements go:

SECTION1013
EXIT SIGNS
1013.1Where required.
Exits and exit access doors shall be marked by an approved exit sign readily visible from any direction of egress travel. The path of egress travel to exits and within exits shall be marked by readily visible exit signs to clearly indicate the direction of egress travel in cases where the exit or the path of egress travel is not immediately visible to the occupants. Intervening means of egress doors within exits shall be marked by exit signs. Exit sign placement shall be such that any point in an exit access corridor or exit passageway is within 100 feet (30 480 mm) or the listed viewing distance of the sign, whichever is less, from the nearest visible exit sign.

Exceptions:

1.Exit signs are not required in rooms or areas that require only one exit or exit access.

2.Main exterior exit doors or gates that are obviously and clearly identifiable as exits need not have exit signs where approved by the building official.

3.Exit signs are not required in occupancies in Group U and individual sleeping units or dwelling units in Group R-1, R-2 or R-3.

4.Exit signs are not required in dayrooms, sleeping rooms or dormitories in occupancies in Group I-3.

5.In occupancies in Groups A-4 and A-5, exit signs are not required on the seating side of vomitories or openings into seating areas where exit signs are provided in the concourse that are readily apparent from the vomitories. Egress lighting is provided to identify each vomitory or opening within the seating area in an emergency.

1013.1.1Accessible exits.
Where exit signs are required by Section 1013.1 of this code, accessible exit doors at the level of exit discharge that lead directly to accessible paths of exit discharge shall additionally be marked by the International Symbol of Accessibility. Such symbol shall be not less than 6 inches (152 mm) high and shall be incorporated into the required exit sign or located directly adjacent to it. Such symbol shall meet the requirements of Section 1013.

I think what he meant is that there should be a source of lighting on the outside if there is no lights there, not a sign. I'm curious myself now what he meant or what code section he refers too.
 
Discussion starter · #18 ·
I didn't see anything listed in that code that said white lighting would be needed on the exterior of the building that was connected to the exit sign battery system.
 
I didn't see anything listed in that code that said white lighting would be needed on the exterior of the building that was connected to the exit sign battery system.
I didn't see it also unless he got that from another source, out of curiosity ask your buddy to ask them where they got that from...
 
Discussion starter · #20 ·
I doubt he'll see him again. It was a once through the building and then he went at discussed the findings with the owner of the building about what needed to be done and that was one of the things that needed to be done.

I only questioned it because I go in and out of a lot of commercial buildings and I've never once noticed a fire light on the outside of a doorway in a commercial building.

I'll ask but I'm pretty sure the electrician that did the inspection isn't going to be back. I could be wrong.
 
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