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Hello, construction professional of 8+ yrs here. We are doing a commercial (resturant) on a high traffic tourist area on a popular florida beach. The resturant seems to do extremely well in season and the owner has been good to us. So far at My price points the work has been hard yet profitable. I just want to see what others would charge to.
A. Demo old wooden deck boards(
Some are rotting / also lots of different types of screws used ( end up having to grind a lot off) debris removal to owners dumpster on site ( 50ft ) away
Partial reframing around trees/ edges / walk ways. Install new trex 16 ft pieces [$40 a board] with 1/4 inch spacing and teks screws (not clip hideaway system ),

The owner of the resturant doesn't own the building yet. A lot of the joists top edge is dry rotted so we usually have to sister every joist to have a good nailer for our trex. The total sqft Decking is around 5000. A 600 sqft section usually takes 3-4 days tops with a strong and experienced 3 man crew. Materials generally run 6$ per foot. How much would you guys charge per sq to demo, partial reframe around areas/ install new Decking, I want to make sure I'm being fair to the owner but also not jewing myself. Sometimes we had to work nights but now that the high traffic areas are done we should be able to work normal areas and section off while working. Here are some photos, I'm thinking I've been coming in around 20$ a foot for demo materials and install but should be pushing for 30 as it's hard a** work any experienced bidders helps thanks all
 

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"The way to price YOUR jobs is:
Find what competitors prices are in the market,
Know YOUR worth
If your business is equally established/ as desirable as their business and you call them to quote a job say that you've already quoted , you are going to see them come in super high and price gouge, and then you will know that your bid may indeed be fair. For instance , for giggled I called other local contractors. I asked them how much they would charge labor only to rip out a fiber glass tub and surround and install a new tub and 3 piece sterling unit. They said 5000. Knowing my area , how much it costs me to do the job, and MY profit margins , I knew that I could offer my customer around 3000 ish I believe it was and get the job. If you do good work and have good reviews and bid too low, and someone wants the work done , they will for sure hire you. But you are jewing yourself, and part of becoming a master estimator is indeed selling yourself short many times. However I've seen guys come in 3x what a project should cost. If your bid is too high or exuberant your customer will not take it. The best way to figure out YOUR pricing is by defining the scope of work to an accurate time factor , and knowing how fast your guys get stuff done in. For example , my foreman makes 45 an hour, my carpenter 30 . Therefore , I know that if it will take both of my guys (without me) 40 man hours of work to complete xyz job, then to breakeven that job needs to have a value of x multiple of (labor cost),to be profitable to me. So take your labor cost times your profit margin, 1.5 [50%] profit times COST [1] 3000 there fore if I want to make 1500 in profit I need to bid a week long job at 4500 assuming labor only. And trust me my guys can easily rack up 10k of labor completed In a 40 hour week given the right job. When doing bids with material , make sure to price it down to a T, accurately , do not gouge or over inflated the price to the customer (like one of our customer paid some other guy 3000 for a 900 dollar door from lowes) this is immoral, probably in some instances illegal and not a way to treat customers to foster a good relationship in your community. If bidding materials get an accurate price number , and add a factor [cost] times a small percentage for your acquisition, loafing and delivery/ shopping time for those materials maybe cost times 10% or 15% . This is only the beginning but bidding is actually the most difficult art of the construction industry and takes years to master ~Team Destiny"
 
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Ed Corrigan said:
"The way to price YOUR jobs is:
Find what competitors prices are in the market,
Know YOUR worth
If your business is equally established/ as desirable as their business and you call them to quote a job say that you've already quoted , you are going to see them come in super high and price gouge, and then you will know that your bid may indeed be fair. For instance , for giggled I called other local contractors. I asked them how much they would charge labor only to rip out a fiber glass tub and surround and install a new tub and 3 piece sterling unit. They said 5000. Knowing my area , how much it costs me to do the job, and MY profit margins , I knew that I could offer my customer around 3000 ish I believe it was and get the job. If you do good work and have good reviews and bid too low, and someone wants the work done , they will for sure hire you. But you are jewing yourself, and part of becoming a master estimator is indeed selling yourself short many times. However I've seen guys come in 3x what a project should cost. If your bid is too high or exuberant your customer will not take it. The best way to figure out YOUR pricing is by defining the scope of work to an accurate time factor , and knowing how fast your guys get stuff done in. For example , my foreman makes 45 an hour, my carpenter 30 . Therefore , I know that if it will take both of my guys (without me) 40 man hours of work to complete xyz job, then to breakeven that job needs to have a value of x multiple of (labor cost),to be profitable to me. So take your labor cost times your profit margin, 1.5 [50%] profit times COST [1] 3000 there fore if I want to make 1500 in profit I need to bid a week long job at 4500 assuming labor only. And trust me my guys can easily rack up 10k of labor completed In a 40 hour week given the right job. When doing bids with material , make sure to price it down to a T, accurately , do not gouge or over inflated the price to the customer (like one of our customer paid some other guy 3000 for a 900 dollar door from lowes) this is immoral, probably in some instances illegal and not a way to treat customers to foster a good relationship in your community. If bidding materials get an accurate price number , and add a factor [cost] times a small percentage for your acquisition, loafing and delivery/ shopping time for those materials maybe cost times 10% or 15% . This is only the beginning but bidding is actually the most difficult art of the construction industry and takes years to master ~Team Destiny"
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I'm honored by the homage sir haha I'm just asking what everyone here would charge taking out these boards and putting them back mid summer for a busy restaurant. I know what I'm charging
, just curious what my brothers feel on here is a good number per sqft
 
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thegodphreaker said:
I'm honored by the homage sir haha I'm just asking what everyone here would charge taking out these boards and putting them back mid summer for a busy restaurant. I know what I'm charging
, just curious what my brothers feel on here is a good number per sqft
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WAIT! You need help bidding a deck? Buut you already know what you are charging?


So-ooo, What are you charging ? Break it down for us. Teach us something.
 
#7 ·
You are already doing the job. Why do you need help with your bid now? You going to change your price mid job?

I always figured if I was getting around 30% of bids then I was in the right area. You get less, you are charging too much, you get more, you have room to up your price. Once the job is started prices stay the same win or lose.

As an aside, anyone on my crew sitting on their buns screwing deck boards would get a donkey BBQ once, more than that.... well you know. Unless that's your girl then all is forgiven.
 
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thegodphreaker said:
Hello, construction professional of 8+ yrs here. We are doing a commercial (resturant) on a high traffic tourist area on a popular florida beach. The resturant seems to do extremely well in season and the owner has been good to us. So far at My price points the work has been hard yet profitable. I just want to see what others would charge to.
A. Demo old wooden deck boards(
Some are rotting / also lots of different types of screws used ( end up having to grind a lot off) debris removal to owners dumpster on site ( 50ft ) away
Partial reframing around trees/ edges / walk ways. Install new trex 16 ft pieces [$40 a board] with 1/4 inch spacing and teks screws (not clip hideaway system ),

The owner of the resturant doesn't own the building yet. A lot of the joists top edge is dry rotted so we usually have to sister every joist to have a good nailer for our trex. The total sqft Decking is around 5000. A 600 sqft section usually takes 3-4 days tops with a strong and experienced 3 man crew. Materials generally run 6$ per foot. How much would you guys charge per sq to demo, partial reframe around areas/ install new Decking, I want to make sure I'm being fair to the owner but also not jewing myself. Sometimes we had to work nights but now that the high traffic areas are done we should be able to work normal areas and section off while working. Here are some photos, I'm thinking I've been coming in around 20$ a foot for demo materials and install but should be pushing for 30 as it's hard a** work any experienced bidders helps thanks all
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L'Chaim good sir.

Andy.
 
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deckman22 said:
You are already doing the job. Why do you need help with your bid now? You going to change your price mid job?

I always figured if I was getting around 30% of bids then I was in the right area. You get less, you are charging too much, you get more, you have room to up your price. Once the job is started prices stay the same win or lose.

As an aside, anyone on my crew sitting on their buns screwing deck boards would get a donkey BBQ once, more than that.... well you know. Unless that's your girl then all is forgiven.
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I'm bidding it in sections. Each section is different joist quality underneath, different cuts , different logistics etc. If I was doing the whole thing and it was 5000 sqft I'd say it was worth at least 120k with Materials. But since I'm bidding section by section it changes based on the difficulty of that section and the number of cuts involved
 
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thegodphreaker said:
I want to see what you guys think about what I'm charging or what you would charge lol 😆 I've heard As low as 15 to high as 40
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Doesn't work that way. Show us yours.
Then we can tell you what we think about your charges.

It would be nice though, if you'd get your stories straight.
 
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thegodphreaker said:
Hello, construction professional of 8+ yrs here. We are doing a commercial (resturant) on a high traffic tourist area on a popular florida beach. The resturant seems to do extremely well in season and the owner has been good to us. So far at My price points the work has been hard yet profitable. I just want to see what others would charge to.
A. Demo old wooden deck boards(
Some are rotting / also lots of different types of screws used ( end up having to grind a lot off) debris removal to owners dumpster on site ( 50ft ) away
Partial reframing around trees/ edges / walk ways. Install new trex 16 ft pieces [$40 a board] with 1/4 inch spacing and teks screws (not clip hideaway system ),

The owner of the resturant doesn't own the building yet. A lot of the joists top edge is dry rotted so we usually have to sister every joist to have a good nailer for our trex. The total sqft Decking is around 5000. A 600 sqft section usually takes 3-4 days tops with a strong and experienced 3 man crew. Materials generally run 6$ per foot. How much would you guys charge per sq to demo, partial reframe around areas/ install new Decking, I want to make sure I'm being fair to the owner but also not jewing myself. Sometimes we had to work nights but now that the high traffic areas are done we should be able to work normal areas and section off while working. Here are some photos, I'm thinking I've been coming in around 20$ a foot for demo materials and install but should be pushing for 30 as it's hard a** work any experienced bidders helps thanks all
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By your numbers if I read them right:
120K-30K materials($6x5000)=90K
4 days to do 600 sq ft for 3 people
5000sq ft/600=8.35
8.35x4=33.4 days to do 5000Sq ft
$90,000/ 33.4=$2,700 day

Does $2,700/day cover 3 worker's wages, WC, O&P, liability ins and all your other overhead for this job?
 
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thegodphreaker said:
I'm honored by the homage sir haha I'm just asking what everyone here would charge taking out these boards and putting them back mid summer for a busy restaurant. I know what I'm charging
, just curious what my brothers feel on here is a good number per sqft
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Doesn't matter what someone else would charge, actually it's a dumb question.
 
Discussion starter · #19 ·
That's what we should do but he just wants to sister the joists and put new boards on because he doesn't own the buildings doing this today it's hard ass work and definitely worth 25-30 a foot for demo, clean up, prep and reframing and installation
 
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