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reggi

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I’ve been asked to remove an antique safe from the third story of an old building. The safe is an E. R. Morse and measures as follows:

30” deep
36” wide
56” tall

It’s old as dirt and I know from dealing with smaller safes of similar vintage that it will be amazingly heavy. Just how amazingly heavy is what I would like to establish.

From my research It seems likely that it will weigh no less than 1,500 lbs which would seem to rule out the use of a powermate stair climbing dolly, as they top out at 1,000 for the stair climbing function. I am not afraid of moving heavy stuff, I have lifted a full 60 gallon water heater by the risers. But I will need a non lethal stair descending setup for something like this.

The owner of the safe owns the building (and many more) and his leasing agent called six people before I agreed to look at the safe. I would like to move it without having to pull the carpet and install anchors in the floor but that’s where my head is going. Trying to be in like Flynn.

I guess it really hinges on the weight. That’s where you fine people come in.

Just remembered I do have a 10,000lb pallet scale that I thought would come in handy one day. Maybe I will go back and weigh it…
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No I’m not subbing it out and no I will not focus on one thing, thanks in advance.
 
There is a way to figure out how much something weighs with a lever

stick one end under the safe, place fulcrum, apply weight at the far end of say an 8ft lever and mathematically calculate the weight. You would basiclly double to since you would be lifting 1 side of the safe
Weight and distance and something else ???
I did it in high school but that was a very long time ago
 
Useless information I have to offer:

I worked in a drugstore in highschool. We moved down the plaza to new store. Safe wasn't as old looking, but heavy. Probably 1950's vintage. Fit under counter, so 34-36" high. Probably 32 x32". Two wheel dolly (old, heavy, at least 600 lb rated, but probably heavier) bent the blade a little until I got under all the way. Crunched plywood floor until we got more wood. I bet it weighed at least a thousand, mebbe more.

Wouldn't be surprised if you were at 2k.

Fun side note - we pushed that safe full and locked down the front sidewalk in the middle of the night for a few hundred yards. Good times

Don't want to hijack your thread, but ask me about moving all the drugs. Priceless 😂😂😂
 
Discussion starter · #6 ·
There is a way to figure out how much something weighs with a lever

stick one end under the safe, place fulcrum, apply weight at the far end of say an 8ft lever and mathematically calculate the weight. You would basiclly double to since you would be lifting 1 side of the safe
Weight and distance and something else ???
I did it in high school but that was a very long time ago
I’m picturing 2k lb safe flying out the window when I jump on the other end of the plank. 🤣
 
Just tell us already!
Me in Dad's pickup truck. Off duty copper riding shotgun. Middle of the night. Girls in one store loading shelf unit styled cases so the drugs don't get out of order. Units in truck. Drive a few hundred yards to new store. Girls unloading shelf units. Repeat for hours.

So we're walking past the coolers in the store with our drugs. Shotgun asks if I want anything. Eh, I could go for a beer. We grab a six and some nutty buddies (ice cream, he doesn't drink). Middle of the night, drinkin 'n drivin with a truck load of drugs and a cop eating ice cream. Doesn't get any better...
 
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Me in Dad's pickup truck. Off duty copper riding shotgun. Middle of the night. Girls in one store loading shelf unit styled cases so the drugs don't get out of order. Units in truck. Drive a few hundred yards to new store. Girls unloading shelf units. Repeat for hours.

So we're walking past the coolers in the store with our drugs. Shotgun asks if I want anything. Eh, I could go for a beer. We grab a six and some nutty buddies (ice cream, he doesn't drink). Middle of the night, drinkin 'n drivin with a truck load of drugs and a cop eating ice cream. Doesn't get any better...
That’s hilarious. Thinly reminds me of a story my dad tells of how as kids, him and his buddies had somebody buy them beer at the package store for a weekend camping trip. As soon as they left the parking lot they got pulled over. Cop takes their beer and puts it in his trunk and drives off. They circle back and purchase more beer.

Times have changed.
 
Discussion starter · #16 ·
We have moved a few, but never dealt witg many stairs. Are you able to remove the door? That will make it considerably lighter. Beyond that, I would think using ramps and possibly some pulleys would probably work fine. At least gravity is on your side.
I am looking at some more safes next week that they need gone, will inquire about opening the safe and removing the door. I don’t know if they can get in it.

Reg, some of those had 8” thick steel walls. Knew some ol safe crackers back in the day but that’s been a minute. I’d say your looking @ 1500 — 2000 lbs. Heave it out the window ( halfers for my tip )


Mike
Funny, when I saw the building had no elevator I was thinking “out the damn window”.

Look out below.
 
Discussion starter · #18 ·
Reggie,
It depends upon how many gold bars are in there ...

Have done a web search yet?
Cant find anything specific about this brand of safe other than an ebay listing for a different size unit with a wild guess as to weight.

As for gold bars, I’m hoping she’s loaded right up.
 
Discussion starter · #20 ·
Plywood for floor with pneumatic tires...

Stairs are like Warren said.

Are they scrap? Torch?
I don’t know yet - I looked at it today with the perspective that it was to be done in one piece but maybe they just want to junk it. I was too focused on the weights involved and the stair geometry to ask that question. I’m meeting again next week.

From my research, the mid 19th century was the wild west of safe design and it could be insulated with asbestos or even booby trapped with cyanide.

Also the floor system is wood and it’s probably a 20 million dollar building (replacement cost) so I will not be doing hot work in there.
 
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