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People buy generally based on four points... Company, Product, Service and if you've done a good job on the first three Price... once you're at price, it either makes sense or it doesn't... It's one of the first things we tell them when we first sit down... (rather than re-type, here is a copy/paste reply of mine from another discussion on budgets that also covers what you're looking for)...




Metro M & L;6310802 said:
One way to approach budget: They won't tell you their budget. Never ask; the won't tell you the truth anyway. I have found it builds a tremendous amount of trust when YOU TELL THEM WHAT THEIR BUDGET IS.

In other words, you say something along the lines of projects like that go for somewhere around x and y, depending on the finishes and some other factors.
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OriginalBldrs...
A way to build on what Metro M&L said and to zero in on where their wallet actually falls is to offer ranges and then zero in on the sub-range removing the "I don't know what or budget is" dance from the equation while setting yourself up as the expert in your field... this will also allow you to determine if this is someone you are going to commit time away from your family and other things or not (i.e. - tire-kicker, can't afford your service, not a match, etc. - although we wish it were the case, not everyone is our customer)...

"Mrs. Can't-Make-Up-Her-Mind, for a project such as this, we have a few customers who are after your basic no-frills approach, which places the focus more on overall price and low-mid range products for their project to meet that goal, and that generally falls into a range $X - $X... then we have customers who are still price conscious but have been waiting for the chance to do this project, and are interested in more of the mid-high quality products with some added bells and whistles, and understand that it comes with added costs, and that usually falls into a range of $X - $X... then we have customers for whom money is no object and simply want the best of everything even if they don't necessarily need all that to give them a quality outcome; they want what they want, and that ranges from $X on up, depending on everything they choose... the more they choose, the higher it goes... (also sets up the discussion on how to reduce costs if needed)

Out of those three ranges, where do you think you envision your budget and tastes realistically falling most comfortably? (9 times out of 10, it will be the mid range)... Great, now the final number is going to be dependent on what we ultimately choose, but so we can tailor your project to products/services that match what your actual budget goal is to ensure you are happy with the outcome, does your budget range fall comfortably within that whole mid-range of $X to $X, or does it fall more to the lower, mid or upper part of that range?"​


Doing it this way, it accomplishes a few things...

1. You demonstrate that you not only have customers from the different ranges, and that you understand budget constraints, but that you have options and products to work with in all those ranges giving you flexibility in pricing... this will come in quite handy when you have a customer who wants you to drop in price... they have to give up something in return as opposed to you giving up money out of your pocket or profit for your company (because funny thing is, everyone ELSE still expects to be paid even if you've decided to give up money without the customer giving up something in return)...

2. The double method really gets them zero'ing in on and identifying for you what their bank account will potentially allow (in most cases, they already know where they are getting the funds and the limitations of those sources whether it's how much they decide to spend is another issue) for the project as it takes them from giving/identifying an overall range in the first half to zero'ing on where they fall in that range so when you present the proposal that meets their words, it increases your chances of removing one of the big mental objections for the person presenting the proposal, which is price...

3. People buy based on Company, Product, Service and Price, usually in that order, and if you've done a good job with the first three and zero'd in on their budget ahead of time, it de-emphasizes the last one, Price, as a reason not to close... and if you preset the following question with "other than Price is there anything else we need to cover more?" (and address them all first), it then allows you to hit them with "and the best news is, we were able to provide you with what you were looking for in a (name the project) with the bells and whistles of what you were looking for, within the budget you said you wanted to stay in... (assume the close) so next, we need to discuss the schedule (as you turn the agreement to them to sign and hand them a pen)...

4. It's a soft-close approach so you aren't hammering them like a typical salesperson and instead of making them feel like they are being "sold" something, you're simply leading them to the decision as the expert in your field, which gives them all sorts of comfort and confidence...


When we first meet with a customer, we tell them "look, we've been doing this a long time, and as we talk and get to know each other, I hope you'll get a sense of comfort in our company (Company), what we have to offer (Product), how we do it (Service), and you'll have confidence that we know our costs and don't just pick numbers out of the air but that what we do what we do for a reasonable profit but at a cost (Price) that works FOR YOU (emphasis added) and us ... but what I really want to emphasize with you is that you aren't going to have to worry about being "sold" anything or enduring high pressure sales tactics tonight... As you probably heard from Jane (if a referral for example) that's not how we operate and not what our reputation is built on (if it's not a referral and a way to work in you have a positive rep without being braggadocios)... so you can rest easy that there won't be any pricing gimmicks, like "manager specials" or "one time special discount offers" to entice you to buy but usually leave you second guessing what your price actually is and what you're getting yourself into... the decision should be a simple one, not one that you need to be "sold" on... if it's the right decision, it'll just make sense... so you'll know tonight what your project will cost with everything involved and it will ether make sense to you or it won't... there won't be any hidden costs, it will be a soup to nuts price, and the only time the price will change is if you decide to make changes on what we decide together" (also setting up the discussion for Change Orders)

All done in a conversational tone... if you remove reasons for them not to close (i.e. - objections) along the way in a conversational manner before presenting a price, with the above done in preparation, it INCREASES the chance of a close when going over the details of the proposal WHEN THEY ARE THE HOTTEST EMOTIONALLY TO BUY something they want to buy... if your objective is to not be away from your family at all hours the least amount of time possible throughout the year doing this part of your work, you're there to close, not visit, and having follow-up after follow-up, making change after change (usually with you absorbing all the costs - which is just another way of saying you're leaking/losing money)... you can always make changes AFTER you've got them signed and committed and removed them from the market...

This soft-sell approach is even more powerful when the customer is a referral... but more importantly, it helps you develop the skill in how not to drop your pants in pricing or try to buy business, which wreaks havoc on the profitability of your business... it simultaneously gives you a powerful tool to combat those who want to separate money from your pocket or profit from your company... "do you remember when we discussed how we know our costs and we don't play pricing games?..."...

BTW, once you've secured them as a customer and successfully completed the project by under-promising and over-delivering, don't forget to farm their warm market for referrals... they WILL be showing their friends and family... 👍


One of the best books I've read on the soft-sell and setting yourself apart is by Tom Hopkins... How to Master the Art of Selling... keep in mind all this information is not new... it's just in an easy to read/absorb format, similar in nature to a successful appointment...

Best of luck... 8^)
 
If you're confidant in your ability and price structure there isn't any need to sell. I've flat out told potential clients that if they find someone more qualified to do the job they should hire him.
I'm an odd bird in that when someone tries to sell me something I immediately assume that I'm being deceived and overcharged.
You've never run into a skilled salesman. If high pressure is done properly, you never know.
 
You've never run into a skilled salesman. If high pressure is done properly, you never know.
Incorrect, unless you're totally brain-dead. Done properly, you're left with no way to renig on the deal. That doesn't mean you won't realize that sooner or later, and be torn between disgust at the tactic and disgust at yourself for falling for it.
 
Most my clients are business people. They can smell BS a mile away. Honesty is what they are looking for. If you're good at what you do, they will more than likely know. They are looking for quality but they are also looking for professionalism.


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Most my clients are business people. They can smell BS a mile away. Honesty is what they are looking for. If you're good at what you do, they will more than likely know. They are looking for quality but they are also looking for professionalism.


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We do some really large jobs for very wealthy people, and the only common denominator is they don’t want to be bothered. They don’t care what time you’re showing up, they don’t care what time you’re leaving, they just want to know that you can do the job without their supervision.

It’s nerve-racking for me because they usually have copper gutters and you have to make design decisions that could cost a days wages if you’re wrong, but the idea of calling them is absurd.


I once had a super wealthy client tell me that he just got back from the beach, which is a 2 hour drive. His car was spotless. I asked him how he could drive all the way to the coast and back without getting 1 million bugs all over his car.

Words can’t explain how stupid I felt when he told me he only had to drive 10 minutes to Morrisville, which is where RDU international airport is. The guy was flying back-and-forth to the beach every Tuesday and Thursday and I thought he knew some road trip short cut 😂🤣
 
Ok, this is very helpful thank you. Now, I've been relying on my proposals to tell them all this type of info (likewise, very specific, but I'm skeptical that the customers are reading them). Sounds like you tell them in person? Ie, giving options, telling about some contractor's propensity for change order profits, etc?
I never talk about another contractor unless I am praising them. Nothing loses trust faster than bad mouthing other people. Build trust by acknowledging other people's good work and having a network of competitors that also do good work just like you.

You can refer leads you don't want or cant get to to your competitors and can give recommendations for other trades a client might need. All of this builds your network. Business is relationships.
 
What do you do during your customer meetings to differentiate yourself? I build rapport, I ask my questions, I take measurements, but I find myself clamming up when it's time to "sell." What do you say?

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After reading all the above posts, there is an important something missing.

All posts cover what and how to Tell the potential client about yourself.

Maybe, I missed it; Noone covers anything about HOW to LISTEN to the prospect.
 
After reading all the above posts, there is an important something missing.

All posts cover what and how to Tell the potential client about yourself.

Maybe, I missed it; Noone covers anything about HOW to LISTEN to the prospect.
That’s because by the time we show up, they have filled their head with so much nonsense from HGTV and Google that it’s completely pointless.

Sure, I’ll put a rain chain as the only downspout on 80 foot of 6 inch gutter right next to your walkout basement. No problem Mr. customer.
 
Ok, this is very helpful thank you. Now, I've been relying on my proposals to tell them all this type of info (likewise, very specific, but I'm skeptical that the customers are reading them). Sounds like you tell them in person? Ie, giving options, telling about some contractor's propensity for change order profits, etc?
If you're just sending it to the customer, what do you do when you receive something in the mail that will cost you money? What's the first thing you look for? What it'll cost you...
 
...............Have you ever hired someone to work on your house? It sux. Most companies are money hungry, aggressive and fail to keep promises.

I sell by being the company I would want in my home. I tell people the truth. I explain all options. My prices are transparent. My scope of work is highly specific.

I'm a white hat; I'm not trying to trick anyone or make a fortune doing change order contracting. People smell competence and confidence and that is best served by having a take it or leave it mentality. You make your offer and encourage the customer to shop around. You know you are the best value proposition and that's why it doesn't matter if they hire you or not. You have people in line waiting to work for you.

I find I sell best when I have lots of money in my bank account and lots of leads. Success breeds success.
^^^^^^^ This all day long and then some. Others here have provided some great advice and suggested you pursue sales training. I considered that soon after buying an established business and ended up hiring a business coach. Among the many things he taught me was the simple fact that not all your prospects will be a good client for you. I came from the black & white world of engineering, construction, and project management so sales were a bit of a challenge at first. I then realized that my best experiences with contractors working on my home was that "gut feel" I got during the initial meeting.

My gut feel was right about 90% of the time so I took those experiences into my sales approach with prospects (I do roofing and exterior restoration) by letting them know that like them, I am a homeowner and consumer and my money is precious. I treat my clients the same way and if they don't get that then they're most likely not a good client for me. When asked about the subcontractors I use to handle various trades, I tell the client that my subs all have one thing in common; they've all worked on MY home. That sort of thing resonates with homeowners with little to no knowledge of home repair/improvement.

And lastly, the money in the bank thing is huge as is a lead generation system. People can smell success and confidence but it takes time to build the bank account and lead list. Just keep plugging away and adjust your business plan as you need to. It won't happen overnight but it will happen in time.
 
I sold a custom American made 14 gauge stainless steel apron front sink this afternoon for over 5K and got nearly half down. The couple went into sticker shock/denial at first, but after studying the alternatives and looking at the nasty unsanitary black/brown line between their sink flange and stone bottom, I got the nonrefundable down payment.

There is no way you're selling expensive sinks without sales techniques. Being ashamed of using sales techniques is like being ashamed of your techniques to pound a nail. That's nonsense.

You don't get a 4.7 customer satisfaction rating out of a possible 5 by tricking people or any other lack of business ethics. My customers have no regrets and I get compliments on my selling skills. Pick up your game or you're leaving a lot of money on the table.
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I sold a custom American made 14 gauge stainless steel apron front sink this afternoon for over 5K and got nearly half down. The couple went into sticker shock/denial at first, but after studying the alternatives and looking at the nasty unsanitary black/brown line between their sink flange and stone bottom, I got the nonrefundable down payment.

There is no way you're selling expensive sinks without sales techniques. Being ashamed of using sales techniques is like being ashamed of your techniques to pound a nail. That's nonsense.

You don't get a 4.7 customer satisfaction rating out of a possible 5 by tricking people or any other lack of business ethics. My customers have no regrets and I get compliments on my selling skills. Pick up your game or you're leaving a lot of money on the table.
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Love the sink, but how do you know when that type of stone countertop is dirty? Or do the maids clean it twice a day..........
 
Correct. And you are doing them a disservice when you're too unskilled to close the sale.
Julian Jones from Angi couldn’t close the sale with me yesterday.

He heard my objections about bad leads, credits instead of refunds, rock bottom standard pricing, and several contractors getting the same lead.

“All in the past,” he said.

He wouldn’t answer when I asked how long he had been working there.

I told him I would do some research if he sent me an email with a link.

He sent me an email, made sure I got it, and was insistent I sign up.

I finally ended up putting the phone down and continued screwing down Trex treads and risers.

I’m glad I use Dewalt. I may have heard him over the Milwaukee Surge. He continued to argue for a couple of minutes. Reminded me of an ex girlfriend.


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I learned years ago that the pushier I was to get a customer to close the more likely they were to cancel or be terrible customers.

Most of my estimates are less than half an hour. I show them a hand written estimate on paper. I walk them through that and give them a copy of our insurance and a blank contract and explain why workers comp and general liability are important.

Before I leave, I thank them for giving me a few minutes of their time and say I hope we can earn their business.

I follow up the same day with an estimate through QuickBooks that I email to them. 90% of my customer say they chose to do business with us because they liked me. I’m never the lowest bidder. Even when I try to be the lowest bidder because I want to do a job I’m still not able to work as cheap as some of the guys that don’t carry insurance or pay taxes.
@WBailey1041 can you elaborate on the 'walk them through that' part? what extra information are you giving them that isn't shown in the paper estimate?
 
@WBailey1041 can you elaborate on the 'walk them through that' part? what extra information are you giving them that isn't shown in the paper estimate?
The paper estimate is just my notes on a legal pad. I’ll attach a picture. It wouldn’t make sense to you unless I explained it to you. When I say, I walk them through it; I show them the notes and point to the big number and say, I’ll save the surprise, here is the total cost with labor and materials. Now, let me explain how I got to this number. And then I walk them through the cost of gutters, downspout, facia, gutter guards, etc.

I then open up the metal clipboard and show them an invoice from a previous job and explain to them that I’m going to be emailing them an estimate in PDF format that is going to explain everything in detail so they don’t need to take a picture of my notepad.

The estimate I email has links to the warranties and websites and answers any question they might have. This relaxes the customer and you can actually watch the tension melt from their shoulders when they realize you’re not gonna try to bully your way into their home to make a sale.
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The pen is strategically placed to block the customers email address.
 
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