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Hello Everyone,

Was wondering when pouring the foundation walls/porch for a new construction residential how come with the smaller porch design (plan1 and plan1.1 jpg) does the foundation wall extend all the way down to basement and is closed off and then just filled with dirt for the slab to rest on.. is it more efficient this way or is it because it is a 2 story entrance? The other plan2 and plan2.2 has a bigger porch but is UNexcavated and looks calls for cmu or poured stem wall but is not a two story or is that because it is inefficient (waste of concrete/expense) this route so they would backfill as normal up to the main foundation wall then trench out?

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Option 1 is slab on grade finish. The floor is concrete.
Option 2 is 1" stone veneer on grade finish. The floor is stone.
 
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apicante said:
They both have concrete porches. Maybe wording on the plan is off but I have the full set and its implying stone under the cement as a base.
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Oy Vey.
I will guess you are not a contractor since we are speaking on two different levels.
 
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Joe Fairplay said:
Oy Vey.
I will guess you are not a contractor since we are speaking on two different levels.
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Besides what the the surface of the porches are the main question was why they do it like this in some instances where sometimes the foundation walls run all the way down and with the basements walls vs sometimes it is backfilled (in the larger porch instance) and then trenched out for porch footings.
 
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apicante said:
Besides what the the surface of the porches are the main question was why they do it like this in some instances where sometimes the foundation walls run all the way down and with the basements walls vs sometimes it is backfilled (in the larger porch instance) and then trenched out for porch footings.
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Check your code book. Excavation and grading section 3-50
 
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Unless your not looking to expand the basement and open the wall, install a header, haul off additional backfill and pour concrete then your saving money. Stepped footing marrying into the existing due to unbalanced backfill.
 
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In cases like this, you can offer an option to have a wine cellar. You put a steel deck over the porch area instead of compaction fill and make an opening in the foundation wall connecting the main basement to the under-the-porch area. Also suitable for safe rooms with hidden doors when finishing a basement.
Something like this
 
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greg24k said:
In cases like this, you can offer an option to have a wine cellar. You put a steel deck over the porch area instead of compaction fill and make an opening in the foundation wall connecting the main basement to the under-the-porch area. Also suitable for safe rooms with hidden doors when finishing a basement.
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a lot of people around here put a slab of spancrete over their porch and make the room into a gun safe.
 
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@apicante

This site is restricted to those professionally employed in the building trades. Diyers are not permitted to post here.

Owner/builders do not qualify either.

As you build your own house, with no previous trade experience, you are going to run into probably thousands of situations that you do not understand, that you will make mistakes on, and that will leave you scratching your head.

That is the normal state of affairs when you lack knowledge.

If you wish to learn the trade, you should hire on with a local reputable builder. If building is really not your thing, you should look into hiring a contractor. You haven’t even broken ground, and you’re already not understanding some very basic things.
 
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apicante said:
Besides what the the surface of the porches are the main question was why they do it like this ...
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Once again, they do it that way because of the difference in floor coverings.
 
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Thank you everyone for the explanations that make perfect sense. @Big Johnson @greg24k @Tom M

@Joe Fairplay You did not understand the question fully. This had nothing to do with floor coverings.

@Seven-Delta-FortyOne Thanks for your ignorant response to assume I am not in the trade trying to learn ask for help/opinions. In this field there are things that even with experience that can you leave you puzzled. This was an excavation question and given there are a few routes that can be taken properly and efficiently.
 
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@Seven-Delta-FortyOne Thanks for your ignorant response to assume I am not in the trade trying to learn ask for help/opinions. In this field there are things that even with experience that can you leave you puzzled. This was an excavation question and given there are a few routes that can be taken properly and efficiently.
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@Seven-Delta-FortyOne

@apicante

This site is restricted to those professionally employed in the building trades. Diyers are not permitted to post here.

Owner/builders do not qualify either.

As you build your own house, with no previous trade experience, you are going to run into probably thousands of situations that you do not understand, that you will make mistakes on, and that will leave you scratching your head.

That is the normal state of affairs when you lack knowledge.

If you wish to learn the trade, you should hire on with a local reputable builder. If building is really not your thing, you should look into hiring a contractor. You haven’t even broken ground, and you’re already not understanding some very basic things.
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Based upon your statements, the above is a reasonable assumption.
 
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apicante said:
@Seven-Delta-FortyOne Thanks for your ignorant response to assume I am not in the trade trying to learn ask for help/opinions. In this field there are things that even with experience that can you leave you puzzled. This was an excavation question and given there are a few routes that can be taken properly and efficiently.
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Only ignorance here is you vis-a-vis excavation.

And contrary to popular opinion, no one on any forum anywhere owes you or anyone else a damn thing.

Some of us take our own personal time, in an attempt to help complete strangers, just for the sake of human decency, and a love and respect for the trades.

You came into a (virtual) room full of people, with no introduction, and asked us all to give you free advice on our own time.

The very least you could do is give us a proper introduction so we know you are playing by the rules, and have even the smallest whiff of humility and appreciation.

Usually, these threads that look like diy threads are unceremoniously locked down by a mod, and the poster banned.

I took the time to explain the rules to you.

Out of my over 9,000 posts on this site, I would venture to say far in excess of two dozen have contained useful and helpful information.

You could possibly have been the recipient of one of them, had you not hurt my feewings so badly, and left me hating myself, shaking, and binge eating chocolate and watching sleepless in Seattle in this corner.
 
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