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#1 ·
Hey everyone.
I build custom homes and occasionally do tweaking of the designs myself. As of now ive always just used paper and pencil to do my design drafting, but i would like to purchase some software that might make the job easier. I need it to do basic floor plans and exterior elevations. I used Autocad in the late 90s but ive heard it has gotten really advanced since then. I dont need anything super fancy and i dont wana spend a arm and a leg.

Does anyone have any sugestions?

Thanks
Ross
 
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#48 · (Edited)
Years back I had a nice program called Punch Professional Home Design suite. I lost it after a virus infected my PC and misplaced the original discs. What I really liked about (besides it's ease of operation) was that it had a material list and cost feature. I think I paid about $300 back in 2004 or so.

I'm currently shopping for a new program but having a hard time finding that feature - plus it appears that Punch program is no longer available. Any recommendations?
 
#54 ·
AutoCAD, both the full and LT, is one of the industry standards, has been around forever and is really good for details as well as the other parts of a set of plans but in a lot of ways it's dated as B.I.M. (Building Information Modeling) software is much more productive as it links so many parts and reduces having to do and redo as many items.
 
#57 ·
I like using Sketch-Up for turning 2d squares into 3d cubes and a roof; apply openings for massing drawings and adjust 3d for proportions. Dimension out and then redraw that 3d model back into a 2d plan page into SoftPlan as concepts and then working drawings.

My reason is that I can model a dozen SketchUp massing drawings/models immeasurably faster than a few SoftPlan drawings. You can still make block drawings in SoftPlan...but it's a software for design...whereas SketchUp is for modeling in 3d.

I've tried drawing a whole house in SketchUp but found it was better to be a "Show" rather than "Go" program.

With CAD software it's the product that gives you the most confidence that what you're drawing is what you'll get. Once you've chosen a pre-config'd wall for bearing or partition walls; joists for floors and ceiling and then into a module for roof design...the design work continues to take on a life of it's own for all the little things in construction that won't be available nor apparent in a modeling program.

I use SoftPlan as the package is pretty comprehensive with every phase of construction....site plan to footing through chimney cap....and everything in between.

Modeling drawings go to the client as to what the remod will look like with any addition to an existing structure. For new work on an owner's lot....I use sketchup only for importing a .dwg of a SoftPlan drawing into SketchUp on a geo-located Google Earth photo that I can manipulate into a very rough topographic plot plan. Turn on the sun/shade for that property as well as pop in larger caliber trees that should be on the site plan drawing and manipulate the view to the best example to send to the client.

One other thing between SoftPlan and SketchUp....3D symbols drawn in SketchUp can be imported and saved in the SoftPlan library....which includes many of the more progressive construction products (electrical, cabinetery, plumbing .etc) manufacturers that keep their products current in SketchUp for designers and architects to review in the SketchUp 3D warehouse and then import into a SoftPlan 3D model which will also give up a 2D symbol representative of that import.

With the above production description using SketchUp with Softplan....I've the utmost confidence in the end production on my screens or going through an E-sized printer for working drawings for all the subs to develop their proposals.

There is a great deal of responsibility and exposure to liability when you start drawings that are going to affect someone dealing with $$hundreds of thousands of client's money...either cash out of their savings or mortgaging. Their problems can become your problems....especially with your name all over the working drawings that magically turn into Exhibit A as part of the lawsuit.

Dan Turner, CPBD
Conyers, Ga
 
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I often read people saying that they prefer sketchup. How well does sketchup create 2D plans for permit that have sufficient technical detail from a sketchup 3-D model? I’ve never taken the time to become proficient with sketch up so I don’t know its full capabilities.

I’ve found that chief architect is probably the easiest and most comprehensive software at creating the kinds of plans for permit that are used to being reviewed by permitting authorities and will get approved.



Often, I will do some more technical work in AutoCAD and then export that to scale in a PDF that I can then import into chief architect. There are some section views that I still cannot create correctly using the chief architect software alone because I'm not a master in their model creation yet.

I have some examples on my website.
 
#60 ·
Sketchup is a 3D application, has always been from the get go. AutoCad is a drafting application with some basic 3D capabilities, but it has been a drafting App from the get go. AutoDesk Architecture and the likes of Cheif Architect are parametric applications that make and store both 3D and 2D information creating the proper 3D or 2D representation based on the view it is displayed (rendered) in. Best compromise of both worlds for creating construction drawings with greater efficiencies. But at a cost of some 3D and drafting capabilities on the fringes.

I still think manual drafting and design has more sore soul and life, but that ship sailed about 20 years ago.
 
#59 ·
Sketch Up is proved out on it's abiity to work with designers and architects....most especially in additions. A side angle shot (some front...some side) on the area for the proposed additions, bump out, roof extension, etc. to an existing structure...there's a function of the drawing page that allows you to slide boxes, etc. at the same foreground angle of the structure on all axis; find a matching exterior material and proposed openings; add on the ceiling joist depth at the plate and using a new square in 2D; draw in the gable ridge or hips & ridge....use the Pull tool on the ridge and elevate that roof to the pitch that works with this model (not necessarily the existing pitch)....push or pull the ridge in 3D until happy with the view; dress it up in ortho view to "fit" the photo...and you've got a concept to share with your client in a matter of minutes.

It really is a great program for manipulating the model from all angles. There's a bit of artsy trade-offs that make life a little more difficult in trying to make the 3D addition blend into the photo. Color, lighting and shading is something to be learned...and I kinda find myself busy enough on the design to worry about a pretty picture at that stage.

I came off of AutoCad 20 years ago when it became obvious that I didn't need that monster....or wanted to spend time learning it. I was ready to sharpen up my leads for my table when I found a write up for SoftPlan. Cursed that software many times over the years...but pleasantly surprised to find SP techs on hand to walk me through a work-around or procedure.

Your CA drawings are great!! You've got the process for CA down to the point where what you draw is what you'll see going up. A lot of that comes with the carpentry and general construction experience in your career. I've seen some pretty tough build jobs based on drawings that didn't give enough info or sections to illustrate to the framing crew and lead man. The homeowner was banking on his framing contractor; the framing contractor was banking on the working drawing....and the designer was banking on a static drawing for the elevation views rather than the the "meat and potatoes" of how to make that framing work to the elevation. I would think if your framers were having difficulty with anything....hand drawing a detail or section on a scrap of decking (along with flying over in your profile's Warthog) the work would bump up a few notches.

Which is another topic for another day dealing with the lack of qualified trades and crafts people....and even worse on available labor to come to work. I spend a LOT of time on stick roof details....everything from the top of plate to top of rafter or fascia; depth of birdsmouth cuts; cheek cuts; top plates on kneewalls as partition or roof loaded....anything that might be confusing on the job. Plus my contact information if they need me to come out.

It's pretty rough framing work anymore. Again....a blaring warthog would help in getting their attention.<G

I get the impression that CA and SP have been in competition to stay ahead of each other. I can recall a CA rebate if I proved ownership of the SP license (and license key) that I would be giving up in order to concentrate on the CA product purchase and learning curve. But just now...I'd say your work in Chief Architect shows that you've got it worked through and bridled to your control.

Design build guys have it tough. I'm nearly retired after 47 years...but I'm taking that experience to design work to help educate the next breed of construction upstarts. Best career anyone could ever want but the least advertised or pushed for too long.

We missed an entire generation of constructors that didn't have a chance to get weekend or Summer jobs to see what they wanted to try. The Great Recession kept them idle and not thinking long term about how they planned to make a life for themselves.

Good to meet you. If you have any questions about SoftPlan...don't hesitate to contact me and I'll be happy to pass along my experiences.

Dan Turner, CPBD
Conyers, Ga
 
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Nice to meet you Dan. You're 100% right about it being hard to find good / skilled people in the trades. They exist but are rare and always seem to be really busy.

I recently was able to take a few weekends and push away from the computer and go build some rough framed stairs in a complex lake house I did and as-built / redesign on. Aside from the aches and pains for days afterwards, it was a blast.

Here's a GoPro video of one of the stages of framing


Filming what I'm doing was not as easy as the YouTube crowd makes it seem. It was distracting. I didn't realize how focused I like to be when I'm working.....trying to develop different camera shots was a HUGE distraction. Ha!


It was also a great opportunity to get some newer pictures so I could update a stair manual I keep on hand to help new guys.

Take care.

All the best to you!
 
#63 ·
I enjoyed both videos....there's nothing like a solo day or two. Especially when it comes to having no one around to carry the load up and down stairs. I use that exact Pancake compressor mainly because it's cheap to replace vs. missing days from a lower back issue after carrying my old old old old emglo.

You not only have better views in Wash., but better looking framing. You're right...you guys grow it and keep the best pieces there...here in the SE, we get culls on everything including So.Yellow Pine.

Labor is going to be a problem for a while. I thought for sure once the healing started in 2016 that everyone that was broke and looking for work would come back to construction and get started on the informal training with a broom and work up each day to some level of skill and physical shape. As well as getting intrigued with one particular type of sub work...tender their resignation and join on to learn that trade.

I figured at least 10 years but so far...I'm not seeing anybody I'd employ unless I reconfig'd to have a job-boss to stand overseer on each site. Never wanted to re-gear up with an assorted bunch of employees for all the non-licensed work; at my age, I don't think it's the way I want to spend that kind of time with the clock ticking down.

I think your vids are just what the "noob" needs while they're still green...to quote: "oh to be a noob." At least you're teaching and I do hope one day everyone that doesn't want to be an IT, coders, lawyer or "certified music industry specialist" would get inspired to learn your tricks of the trade.

That's about the only way the skills will continue in construction....but first the noobs will have to decide they need more income as they grow up and give construction a try. Most of them are content to sit down with their phone on a job unless someone is constantly after them to make a move. When things went south in 2006...those early 20 year olds today were learning little muscle memory skills that caused them to use their heads about how to do something a little differently in order to make their task a bit easier and then faster.

"Using their heads" is a big thing in the trades...just like anything; someone shows you how to do one job and you adjust in order to make it happen but also to make each it easier and efficient for you...just like swinging a hammer or being the guy on the bench with the saw. You use a crosscut Makita and I use a 35 year old worm drive SkilSaw. It's what I learned on from an old pork-pie hat wearing, cigar stogie chewing SeaBee.

I can't find them now...but his old pot metal 6.5in wormdrive had a couple of knurled nuts on the front and back of the saw "shoe" that he used for ripping. The one in front had a flat edge for your guide and one into the board to the end of the shoe...you adjust the rear so the back blade was on the line and installed the rounded knurled nut to make a near perfect cut for the rest of that piece and all the other lumber being milled to match.

A newbie needs the kind of examples that you videos throw out...the anti-squeak rule for two members of work touching on treads & risers or adding on blade/kerf widths while marking for those tread cuts. It all makes sense to anyone in the learning mode as they're looking at you as the wizened pro sharing the tricks of the trade rather than finding it in a book.

I've got memory skills now with age....I can remember most of all the high and low light events over the years in this biz; but I have to scribble down a measure on any piece of moulding while walking back to the mitersaw. Stuff is too expensive per lin.ft. than to risk the "measure twice and still screw the pooch once."<G

Rainy day and night here in Georgia. No footings getting dug today.
 
#67 ·
Chief architect is by far the best and easiest to use. Downside is it’s very expensive. If your doing a lot of drawings then it pays to spend the money. Just add the expense to your pricing over time and it’s practically free.


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The stripped down "home" version is $500 bucks and will meet most peoples needs.
 
#68 ·
To follow up on Pounder's last post, if you or anyone else can answer a few questions about the home version: The home version is sold as a DIY product. Does Chief Arch allow contractors to buy it? How does the home designer pro compare to Sketchup for custom cabinet/built-in designs? Are there limitations for using the software to do kitchen/bath design, cabinets, additions? I have been using sketchup recently to do some cabinet renderings and wonder if this would be something that is better, easier to use. I'm not in the Wallmaxx realm of drawings and design, but would like something to give customers a preview of their project and to use as a guide for building it.

It also seems that once you pay the $500 there are no more recurring fees unlike with Sketch-up's new annual pricing, is this correct? How long can one use a particular version of this software?
 
#70 ·
I'm using the 2015 version of HDP. Every time I boot it up it asks if I want to upgrade, I always push the no button as I haven't seen any new features that are compelling enough to make me buy it. It's one real limitation for me is the inability to print 24x36 pages, though there is a way around that.
I don't know how they feel about contractors buying the product, I doubt there is any limitation of that kind placed on it.
I can't compare it to sketchup as I don't use it.
Try the demo and see if it will do what you want.