Hello. I am framing up an 8x8 outdoor bathroom for a customer. The recently poured slab is only 4 inches thick. My question is this: is that enough support for a brick veneer? I really don't think so myself, but I have zero experience with brick veneer walls. Also, is osb and tyvek suitable for behind the brick?
Brick foundation size
Slickwilly
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I know every situation is different, but I walked from a job like this one last year.
HO wanted to close in his open car porch, build a frame wall and brick veneer.
The issue I had was the slab was only 4" and was cracked all the way cross both ways.
I suggested that he let me saw around the slab, dig and pour a footing. He said he didn't want to spend that much money.
If I laid the brick, the cracks in the floor would run right up my wall. He said it didn't matter to him...I told him it mattered to me!
HO wanted to close in his open car porch, build a frame wall and brick veneer.
The issue I had was the slab was only 4" and was cracked all the way cross both ways.
I suggested that he let me saw around the slab, dig and pour a footing. He said he didn't want to spend that much money.
If I laid the brick, the cracks in the floor would run right up my wall. He said it didn't matter to him...I told him it mattered to me!
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Sorry I hurt your self esteem "SlickWilly" But I seem to recall YOU came HERE for a solution to YOUR problem.....
Sometimes it is just cheaper to tear out the existing infrastructure, which must of been learned? over the course of "building 100s of buildings and foundations"
You started the ball rolling selecting the name "Slick Willy" which appears to a reverse style nickname, thus not so smooth operator/contractor?
Attacking those who offer constructive criticism and solutions with a little humor will soon leave you with very few people giving you accurate feedback on your work products.:sad:
Insult me all you want, please don't involve my wife.
Sometimes it is just cheaper to tear out the existing infrastructure, which must of been learned? over the course of "building 100s of buildings and foundations"
You started the ball rolling selecting the name "Slick Willy" which appears to a reverse style nickname, thus not so smooth operator/contractor?
Attacking those who offer constructive criticism and solutions with a little humor will soon leave you with very few people giving you accurate feedback on your work products.:sad:
Insult me all you want, please don't involve my wife.
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It's far from being "constructive" pinhead. Isn't that what your wife calls you, "pinhead"? In your case the word "pinhead" would be considered a homonym. Lol. Wow over 1300 posts since 2014. All that ****ty contracting work you do has allowed you lots of free time I see.
If her brick guy says it's OK to put brick on, then he gets the liability. On a practical note, you'll have to use a lot of PT wood for framing, since it's too close to the ground for termites. They'll also come up through any slab penetrations. Most HOs already have a contract for termite treatments, but the 8X8 won't be covered in their existing contract, it will be an add-on.
Like I said, depending on what the soil is there, the slab may be doomed to cracking. Other than that, if the loading is kept below 500 lbs /sqft wherever the slab takes load, it may do OK. With any luck, with no footer, it may just ride on top and move with soil movement - similar to what is done in some parts of Canada for frost heave, except in this case the footers lock it into expansive clay (if that's what it is), and the differential pressures between the wet outside soil and the dry under the structure busts it all up.
I'm not a geoengineer, and I don't know what the site conditions are, but expansive clay is the rule for a lot of the more populated areas.
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SW: I work full time and post during the off days and nights to share what little I've learned.
All that S*****y contracting or lots of free time? I am confused, I have NEVER had a wall fall over.... And I NEVER considered building one that WILL fail.
For every post I make, I read 10-20 Posts on this site or others, heck I even read books about building, some even explain WHY with the HOW....
Some people ride in the wagon of Human knowledge, never adding anything or teaching anyone else, others, pull the Wagon and or add to its contents, enjoy your ride SW
I can recommend some remedial reading and writing books and exercises if you like to raise your value to society?
With out any doubts, You are/have a much larger "Tool" then my 'Pinhead' is. IMHO
Even the Village Idiot knows things I don't. Keep Posting Slick. :jester:
All that S*****y contracting or lots of free time? I am confused, I have NEVER had a wall fall over.... And I NEVER considered building one that WILL fail.
For every post I make, I read 10-20 Posts on this site or others, heck I even read books about building, some even explain WHY with the HOW....
Some people ride in the wagon of Human knowledge, never adding anything or teaching anyone else, others, pull the Wagon and or add to its contents, enjoy your ride SW
I can recommend some remedial reading and writing books and exercises if you like to raise your value to society?
With out any doubts, You are/have a much larger "Tool" then my 'Pinhead' is. IMHO
Even the Village Idiot knows things I don't. Keep Posting Slick. :jester:
An exterior bathroom is considered an accessory structure and is living space according to
"most" Planning departments that I have dealt with.
If there is a Planning department that you have to deal with then the structure will have to comply with the local Building code for your area. Now I may be wrong but I think the entire state of Texas is required to conform to the 2009 code. If so then footings for an accessory structure are mandated.
But then, maybe your situation is different and you don't need to actually comply with a given code. If so, then I would recommend to anyone building in such circumstances to at the very least, comply with the latest IRC. And that would mean Anchor Bolts, slab top min. 6" from surrounding grade, braced panels, etc. All of which would require footings.
If it was just a porch cover of some type then you could get away with no footings depending on the weight of the cover but that is not your situation.
Andy.
"most" Planning departments that I have dealt with.
If there is a Planning department that you have to deal with then the structure will have to comply with the local Building code for your area. Now I may be wrong but I think the entire state of Texas is required to conform to the 2009 code. If so then footings for an accessory structure are mandated.
But then, maybe your situation is different and you don't need to actually comply with a given code. If so, then I would recommend to anyone building in such circumstances to at the very least, comply with the latest IRC. And that would mean Anchor Bolts, slab top min. 6" from surrounding grade, braced panels, etc. All of which would require footings.
If it was just a porch cover of some type then you could get away with no footings depending on the weight of the cover but that is not your situation.
Andy.
I don't think he's going to say....
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They are under county jurisdiction. I mentioned a couple codes to her and she cut me off saying " oh we're county out here. We really don't care about codes." The building Will be just fine. The slab has rebar and is one of the hardest slabs I've ever drilled thru and that's no joke. Obviously she can't put 4" brick on because that's too much weight. But any other type of siding is fine and the slab Will be just fine. Sure it might crack if rain starts eroding it from underneath or the ground settles for some reason. My old man's shop floor was poured about 12 years ago and it's just a slab on grade with close to 12" thickened edge and there still isn't a single crack in it. And that's in north Dakota. I don't use a lot of IRC codes because most of it is overkill. I use some, but not all of it. I also go by my own experience, as well as two generations of experience before me. I've never had an unhappy customer in my 10+ years of running my own business. And I'm not joking either. My father and grandpa haven't had any durability issues either in 50+ years they've been doing this.
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Slick Willy I apologize, any one who has 10 + years contracting and " I NEVER had an unhappy customer, & I'm not joking either..."
:surrender:I am not worthy to even post on the same interNet.... I might sell my PC :sad: :notworthy
fftopic: How can you testify to what happened prior to your birth? Some kind of RNA memory encoding thing? think of all the construction knowledge that your daddy and Granddaddy threw out with the used prophylactics, All those highly skilled brothers and sisters and cousins down the sewer...:devil:
The construction World's loss.... A moment of silence please.....:jester:
:surrender:I am not worthy to even post on the same interNet.... I might sell my PC :sad: :notworthy
fftopic: How can you testify to what happened prior to your birth? Some kind of RNA memory encoding thing? think of all the construction knowledge that your daddy and Granddaddy threw out with the used prophylactics, All those highly skilled brothers and sisters and cousins down the sewer...:devil:The construction World's loss.... A moment of silence please.....:jester:
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