We recently did two separate jobs with two different patterns of Armstrong Possibilities commercial sheet vinyl. We used the Seam Sealer method instead of heat welding, which is suppose to be fine with this product. A couple of months later both jobs are showing gaps at the seams as though the vinyl itself has shrunk. They aren't large gaps but they are big enough to notice. None are larger than 1/16" but they are a magnet for dirt which makes them very obvious. We went over both jobs with our installers (two different crews) and found no problems with the installation. It was all done per Armstrong's instructions. I've got a call in to our sales rep who will come to look at it next week but I'm looking for a little input from anyone else who has used this product who may have had similar issues.
gideond
No, everything was withing specifications. The first job was done in May during warm weather and in a newly constructed and fully heated building. This one was on 1/4" Bamply subfloor if I recall correctly. The second one was in an existing section of an older building also fully heated, this time on concrete. The second job was done in September so it was cooler overall but still in a heated environment.
The sales rep didn't know what to say either. He is sending it to Armstrong to deal with. Here are some photos.
http://s251.photobucket.com/albums/gg309/morrispaint/Armstrong/
http://s251.photobucket.com/albums/gg309/morrispaint/Armstrong/
It was definitely seam sealed. We were there when that took place just to make sure this job was done correctly.
I know the cove base could use a bit of work. We are actually looking for a new installer but they are hard to come by around here. There are suddenly a horde of people that want to do ceramic but no one wants to touch carpet or vinyl anymore.
I know the cove base could use a bit of work. We are actually looking for a new installer but they are hard to come by around here. There are suddenly a horde of people that want to do ceramic but no one wants to touch carpet or vinyl anymore.
I bet the IRS and WC auditors would love to interview some of his "subs".I know the correct seam sealer was used and it was used correctly. Now of the open time of the adhesive I just have the installer's word on that. We are sending him to Armstrong's 3 day installation course in April to make sure he has the ins and outs of commercial installation down. He's done quite a bit of this before but I don't think he's ever dealt with this large of an area with so many seams in it. We're going to get him heat weld certified since I think that is still the better method with this stuff, even though it doesn't look as good as seam sealing.
First, I would like to say that some here are ready to blame the installers once again for an issue that is as of yet unresolved.
Obviously, Armstrong IS having an issue with this problem since they have now pulled the sealer from their line on this product.
Since I have been installing Vinyl now for 3 decades, I have seen my fair share of failures due to either the product itself, the glue they recommended or the sealer.
They all have come a long way to be sure but that does not mean they in infallible and may come out with new lines of products that just do not work well under all circumstances.
I would bet that Armstrong will make this right.
Obviously, Armstrong IS having an issue with this problem since they have now pulled the sealer from their line on this product.
Since I have been installing Vinyl now for 3 decades, I have seen my fair share of failures due to either the product itself, the glue they recommended or the sealer.
They all have come a long way to be sure but that does not mean they in infallible and may come out with new lines of products that just do not work well under all circumstances.
I would bet that Armstrong will make this right.
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