Hey guys well I appreciate all the help on the other framing post that I have. I am currently working on a job and we are debating stick framing a roof or buying trusses. The debate is over how to stick frame it and still provide the support to keep from pushing out the walls. No problem with trusses but they want a ton to give me a custom ridge height to match existing roof since it is like a 6.75 on 12 and their computers wont except the input. So I can stick frame it in a little more time but get the result that I want without the extra cost but I dont know how to incorporate the colar ties. I am going to attach a pic of the truss. The pitch is different since this is just an example of what the truss would look like. Would I build the same way as trusses just with wooden gussets or an entirely different way? Thanks guys
TurnkeyConst
Anyone have pictures of vaulted ceilings stick framed?
Hey guys well I appreciate all the help on the other framing post that I have. I am currently working on a job and we are debating stick framing a roof or buying trusses. The debate is over how to stick frame it and still provide the support to keep from pushing out the walls. No problem with trusses but they want a ton to give me a custom ridge height to match existing roof since it is like a 6.75 on 12 and their computers wont except the input. So I can stick frame it in a little more time but get the result that I want without the extra cost but I dont know how to incorporate the colar ties. I am going to attach a pic of the truss. The pitch is different since this is just an example of what the truss would look like. Would I build the same way as trusses just with wooden gussets or an entirely different way? Thanks guys
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thats what I was figuring a 2x8 ridge beam 2x6 rafters and then 2x4s to build the ceiling with and attach to rafters with 2x4's. I have heard others talk about not liking the scissor trusses. of course this would be our first time using a scissor truss. we dont have any problem out of standard attic trusses except warping. I just need to find out the correct way to build a vaulted ceiling and still have enough support like you would have from colar ties. thanks
woah...how long would this ridge beam be? I don't think that's gonna cut it, no pun intended. I'm talking BEAM...micorloam, parallam, glulam...
It's holding up half of the roof. I'm prettty sure you have not much roof loading necessary down there, but I can't see just a 2x8 ridge for this.
With collar ties, you look decent, but not positive without running it by an engineer.
That'd have to be about a 6' span between supports to be realistic. I forgot to mention the (I hope) obvious that you would need to get some engineering for this. Your lumber yard should be able to do it and if not, a structural engineer would give it to one of their interns since it's not bad.
Maybe even an architect wouldn't mind.
The longer that ridge is between supports, the bigger it gets. 12' span, look for something in the ballpark of a 3½ x 12.
Collar ties pretty much defeat the purpose of a vaulted ceiling in the description you got there. Only 1/3rd the height you will gain.
Scissor trusses may just be cheaper depending on how long that ridge span is going to be.
It's holding up half of the roof. I'm prettty sure you have not much roof loading necessary down there, but I can't see just a 2x8 ridge for this.
With collar ties, you look decent, but not positive without running it by an engineer.
That'd have to be about a 6' span between supports to be realistic. I forgot to mention the (I hope) obvious that you would need to get some engineering for this. Your lumber yard should be able to do it and if not, a structural engineer would give it to one of their interns since it's not bad.
Maybe even an architect wouldn't mind.
The longer that ridge is between supports, the bigger it gets. 12' span, look for something in the ballpark of a 3½ x 12.
Collar ties pretty much defeat the purpose of a vaulted ceiling in the description you got there. Only 1/3rd the height you will gain.
Scissor trusses may just be cheaper depending on how long that ridge span is going to be.
Definately a double lvl for the vault ridge. Size will be determined by the span(ask your engineer). Not only is it supporting the vault itself, but it will be supporting the second set of rafters making the external roof. The ridge for that only needs to be whatever the plum cut is of the rafter.
Hey thanks for the drawing. didnt realize there was this much to framing vaulted ceilings. The r-value for ceilings is r-30 already knew that it would be stapled in batts. Im not sure what convection ventilation is but I will research it to find out. I understand now why you need a structural ridge but at first did not. Should there be mechanical conncections for the rafters to beam besides toe-nailing? I will consult an engineer on the roof for safety sake before we start framing the roof. Thanks guys
Nothing wrong with a little OCD if it makes you more efficient! If you just get in the habit of doing something a certain way, your body will follow, faster and with minimized actions.
Wallmax, I appreciate the picture... That is cool as hell you're willing to work up drawings for these threads. Some of us are more visual and appreciate the drawn ideas.
Question for you guys who hand frame roofs, The ridge beam... where it's supported on either end... can those ends be supported with just built up 2x wall studs? Have you run into a situation where your posts stuck out farther than the wall stud depth? Do you fur out the wall or box out the post?
Mac
Wallmax, I appreciate the picture... That is cool as hell you're willing to work up drawings for these threads. Some of us are more visual and appreciate the drawn ideas.
Question for you guys who hand frame roofs, The ridge beam... where it's supported on either end... can those ends be supported with just built up 2x wall studs? Have you run into a situation where your posts stuck out farther than the wall stud depth? Do you fur out the wall or box out the post?
Mac
I've got lots of pictures. 
http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL293/2163851/11350387/166819146.jpg
http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL293/2163851/11350387/164184902.jpg
http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL293/2163851/9645221/140715187.jpg
http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL293/2163851/9645221/140715179.jpg
http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL293/2163851/9645221/144097366.jpg
http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL293/2163851/9645221/144097369.jpg
http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL293/2163851/9645221/144097377.jpg
http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL293/2163851/4541023/118330358.jpg
These next few pictures or from the frame we are on
http://picasaweb.google.com/TimothyUhler/Bernies/photo#5141241791686607122 You can click through the pictures there to see more pics and I can get some from inside when we get back out there. Snowing today.
I would recommend stick framing that section of roof. It is easy to do and will give you more options for interior framing.
http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL293/2163851/11350387/166819146.jpg
http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL293/2163851/11350387/164184902.jpg
http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL293/2163851/9645221/140715187.jpg
http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL293/2163851/9645221/140715179.jpg
http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL293/2163851/9645221/144097366.jpg
http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL293/2163851/9645221/144097369.jpg
http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL293/2163851/9645221/144097377.jpg
http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL293/2163851/4541023/118330358.jpg
These next few pictures or from the frame we are on
http://picasaweb.google.com/TimothyUhler/Bernies/photo#5141241791686607122 You can click through the pictures there to see more pics and I can get some from inside when we get back out there. Snowing today.
I would recommend stick framing that section of roof. It is easy to do and will give you more options for interior framing.
Hey guys,
Well I see in a post that some may think that I am in over my head. I have a family to raise and support because my wife is a stay at home mom. I dont know about you guys but I may have not done a lot of house framing to learn about structural ridges and my dad who taught me about framing and remodeling didnt really get into complex framing because he stayed busy without having to get into it. I am trying to get into the work myself though because I can do the framing where he is getting older and doesnt want to do it. I ask you guys about the whole vaulted ceiling to learn what I may not know and to understand it as well. I didnt understand the drawing at first. Then as I thought about it and talked to the guy at structural products I realized what a ridge beam is. I always thought that a ridge board was the same and didnt realize there were 2 different things. I see why you are yall are saying to use 2x12's now. 1 board to cut per rafter instead of having to cut 2 different boards a whole bunch. The pics that Timuhler posted have definately helped in the understanding. It put Wallmaxx's drawing into perspective and in real life for me. I hope to one day maybe not right now but to be able to get on here and answer others questions about the same type subjects and give them a respectful answer. I appreciate all you guys do in helping me out on these issues and is definatley helping me out in the estimation stage as well as in the actual framing stages. I can normally ask my dad most of this and he will know but he is in Florida waiting on his mom to pass and then heading on a cruise so you guys were the only other choice to ask besides going and talking to a local framer and getting a b***s**t answer because he thinks that I am stealing work from them. Although it is slow our refferals have kept us plenty busy and many of the contractors are jealous. So you guys all that have posted on here I appreciate all the information and advice that you bring to the Forum!!!
Well I see in a post that some may think that I am in over my head. I have a family to raise and support because my wife is a stay at home mom. I dont know about you guys but I may have not done a lot of house framing to learn about structural ridges and my dad who taught me about framing and remodeling didnt really get into complex framing because he stayed busy without having to get into it. I am trying to get into the work myself though because I can do the framing where he is getting older and doesnt want to do it. I ask you guys about the whole vaulted ceiling to learn what I may not know and to understand it as well. I didnt understand the drawing at first. Then as I thought about it and talked to the guy at structural products I realized what a ridge beam is. I always thought that a ridge board was the same and didnt realize there were 2 different things. I see why you are yall are saying to use 2x12's now. 1 board to cut per rafter instead of having to cut 2 different boards a whole bunch. The pics that Timuhler posted have definately helped in the understanding. It put Wallmaxx's drawing into perspective and in real life for me. I hope to one day maybe not right now but to be able to get on here and answer others questions about the same type subjects and give them a respectful answer. I appreciate all you guys do in helping me out on these issues and is definatley helping me out in the estimation stage as well as in the actual framing stages. I can normally ask my dad most of this and he will know but he is in Florida waiting on his mom to pass and then heading on a cruise so you guys were the only other choice to ask besides going and talking to a local framer and getting a b***s**t answer because he thinks that I am stealing work from them. Although it is slow our refferals have kept us plenty busy and many of the contractors are jealous. So you guys all that have posted on here I appreciate all the information and advice that you bring to the Forum!!!
Hey guys,
Well I see in a post that some may think that I am in over my head. I have a family to raise and support because my wife is a stay at home mom. I dont know about you guys but I may have not done a lot of house framing to learn about structural ridges and my dad who taught me about framing and remodeling didnt really get into complex framing because he stayed busy without having to get into it. I am trying to get into the work myself though because I can do the framing where he is getting older and doesnt want to do it. I ask you guys about the whole vaulted ceiling to learn what I may not know and to understand it as well. I didnt understand the drawing at first. Then as I thought about it and talked to the guy at structural products I realized what a ridge beam is. I always thought that a ridge board was the same and didnt realize there were 2 different things. I see why you are yall are saying to use 2x12's now. 1 board to cut per rafter instead of having to cut 2 different boards a whole bunch. The pics that Timuhler posted have definately helped in the understanding. It put Wallmaxx's drawing into perspective and in real life for me. I hope to one day maybe not right now but to be able to get on here and answer others questions about the same type subjects and give them a respectful answer. I appreciate all you guys do in helping me out on these issues and is definatley helping me out in the estimation stage as well as in the actual framing stages. I can normally ask my dad most of this and he will know but he is in Florida waiting on his mom to pass and then heading on a cruise so you guys were the only other choice to ask besides going and talking to a local framer and getting a b***s**t answer because he thinks that I am stealing work from them. Although it is slow our refferals have kept us plenty busy and many of the contractors are jealous. So you guys all that have posted on here I appreciate all the information and advice that you bring to the Forum!!!
Well I see in a post that some may think that I am in over my head. I have a family to raise and support because my wife is a stay at home mom. I dont know about you guys but I may have not done a lot of house framing to learn about structural ridges and my dad who taught me about framing and remodeling didnt really get into complex framing because he stayed busy without having to get into it. I am trying to get into the work myself though because I can do the framing where he is getting older and doesnt want to do it. I ask you guys about the whole vaulted ceiling to learn what I may not know and to understand it as well. I didnt understand the drawing at first. Then as I thought about it and talked to the guy at structural products I realized what a ridge beam is. I always thought that a ridge board was the same and didnt realize there were 2 different things. I see why you are yall are saying to use 2x12's now. 1 board to cut per rafter instead of having to cut 2 different boards a whole bunch. The pics that Timuhler posted have definately helped in the understanding. It put Wallmaxx's drawing into perspective and in real life for me. I hope to one day maybe not right now but to be able to get on here and answer others questions about the same type subjects and give them a respectful answer. I appreciate all you guys do in helping me out on these issues and is definatley helping me out in the estimation stage as well as in the actual framing stages. I can normally ask my dad most of this and he will know but he is in Florida waiting on his mom to pass and then heading on a cruise so you guys were the only other choice to ask besides going and talking to a local framer and getting a b***s**t answer because he thinks that I am stealing work from them. Although it is slow our refferals have kept us plenty busy and many of the contractors are jealous. So you guys all that have posted on here I appreciate all the information and advice that you bring to the Forum!!!
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