Second & 3rd story deck ?

CarpenterSFO · May 10, 2015

Jimbo2015 said:
Yes it will having building permit, the second floor is not conventional, there are NO 2 by's in the walls except the corners, bottom sills & top plates.
It is a passive solar design minimizing thermal bridging.

I have at the moment preliminary plans drafted, hopefully with some input from you guys I can have the next set of drawing updated.

The pdf's are too large to upload unfortunately.

Are you the designer for the entire building?

Edit: As you don't have any history on C.T., I'm thinking that you are an owner-builder, doing the plans for your own house. That's great, there's nothing wrong with that. Now in my market, if you were to take plans to the building department, for a new house that included a multi-story deck, with the ledgers sandwiched onto the SIPs, you would be kicked out and your plans would not get looked at again without an engineer's or architect's stamp. You should get an engineer involved in your project.

I realize that you're not in my market, but you should still get with an engineer.

hdavis · May 10, 2015

"Some input" just doesn't replace solid structural engineering knowledge. Being attached, you're going to be relying on the SIPs for all wind loading, including uplift.

I wouldn't touch this, and I'm not very shy about hanging myself out.

Edit - I'd do it freestanding - you can do it prescriptive, so no big deal. Otherwise, it's an engineer's stamp.

Tom M · May 10, 2015

Where's BC maybe he can help?

Just teasing you.....B

CarpenterSFO · May 10, 2015

Tom M said:
Where's BC maybe he can help?

Just teasing you.....B

This guy's deck isn't wide enough to need BC's input.

ScipioAfricanus · May 10, 2015

hdavis said:
"Some input" just doesn't replace solid structural engineering knowledge. Being attached, you're going to be relying on the SIPs for all wind loading, including uplift.

I wouldn't touch this, and I'm not very shy about hanging myself out.

Edit - I'd do it freestanding - you can do it prescriptive, so no big deal. Otherwise, it's an engineer's stamp.

Wait...a prescriptive three story deck?

Where? Is that in the WFCM?

The Coastal Craftsman · May 10, 2015

I am amazed this has not turned into a call an engineer thread.

This is a perfect example of the situations I get in. Do you do what most in here tell me they do and call an engineer which at this size deck your looking at $1500-2000 around here just to bid the job. Or do you do what I and many others do and figure out is its within your capability and skill level and estimate the job on that and give your price. At least in my situation I have never been out money on jobs I didn't get.

I can tell you though that around here that deck wouldn't need any engineered drawings to get a permit. As long as you have proof from the people who make the sips that that method for fastening the ledger is good thats good enough for them.

Tom M · May 10, 2015

BC I certainly don't know your area but the numbers you throw around seem really light. I can't see how you would be able to push the value of an engineer at those dates. I accommodate more people below the rates I set for the sake of working sometimes but I wouldn't put my beck out this much for a few days of work.

John Hyatt · May 10, 2015

DIY kinda guy for sure. And he dodged the snake pit. so far.

J.

Jimbo2015 · May 10, 2015

U guys are a tough crowd :whistling

I've built several Sips homes just never had a request from an owner for this type of high level deck.

I thought it would be a simple question, that being the posts design from one level to the second.

Thought you pros could point me in the right direction, I can then go back to the guy drafting the plans with some ideas.

.

Keeyter · May 10, 2015

If you think this is a tough crowd I would advise you close your eyes and don't read what inevitable posts are yet to come.

At the end of the day, there are probably 50 guys that could get this done, and I would put a small fortune that all 50 of those guys would seek a stamp of cover my arss if they hadn't had experience in this particular situation.

You should seek someone that has a stamp on their desk and then contribute to the community with a "How To" and "What I learned" article.

None of the wise Contractors, here or elsewhere, will take such responsibility for how something is done on an internet forum when they can have an Architect and/or Engineer shoulder that burden.

I think you're in over your head if you don't know where to turn.

The Coastal Craftsman · May 10, 2015

Keeyter said:
If you think this is a tough crowd I would advise you close your eyes and don't read what inevitable posts are yet to come.

At the end of the day, there are probably 50 guys that could get this done, and I would put a small fortune that all 50 of those guys would seek a stamp of cover my arss if they hadn't had experience in this particular situation.

You should seek someone that has a stamp on their desk and then contribute to the community with a "How To" and "What I learned" article.

None of the wise Contractors, here or elsewhere, will take such responsibility for how something is done on an internet forum when they can have an Architect and/or Engineer shoulder that burden.

I think you're in over your head if you don't know where to turn.

Why do you automatically think that people asking for advice are gonna leave this forum or any other and jump in a build something incorrectly.

The point of this forum is to get advice from people who have done this stuff. Some have no problem giving advice yet some give advice that is of zero help at all. If we had to consult an expert on everything from buying tools, designing websites to building a house this forum wouldn't exist as none of us are really experts on what we do. There's always someone way better than you and knows more than you so should we have to consult these people when planning stuff out. Of course not but some how the ones of us who don't consult experts seem to be able to do things right still. Maybe not the way an expert would but way better than any HO or wanna be handy man and I'm sure for most of us permitted too.

Some people on this forum need to get of their high horses. The guys figuring out the plan of action and the best way to go about it. If he was half way through building it then come on here with issues and didn't consult an expert then get back on ya horse and let him have it.

CarpenterSFO · May 10, 2015

I am going to be the cranky guy and say that this is ridiculous.

This is new home construction, including a 3-story deck. When asked about floor assemblies, he responds that the walls don't have 2-bys. He will save time and money by talking with an engineer. For $200 he could have a conversation with an engineer, and if nothing else, learn something. He might save money by not building those 4' piers he's considering.

His location says Georgia and Florida. I'll bet a dollar that this isn't happening in Florida, where licensing and permitting laws are similar to California's. I don't know anything about Georgia.

Edit: Sorry to be talking about you in the 3rd person, Jimbo. You may be a fine guy and genuinely in the contracting business (solar?) but the overall picture here doesn't make sense to me.

Deckhead · May 10, 2015

CarpenterSFO said:
I am going to be the cranky guy and say that this is ridiculous.

This is new home construction, including a 3-story deck. When asked about floor assemblies, he responds that the walls don't have 2-bys. He will save time and money by talking with an engineer. For $200 he could have a conversation with an engineer, and if nothing else, learn something. He might save money by not building those 4' piers he's considering.

His location says Georgia and Florida. I'll bet a dollar that this isn't happening in Florida, where licensing and permitting laws are similar to California's. I don't know anything about Georgia.

Edit: Sorry to be talking about you in the 3rd person, Jimbo. You may be a fine guy and genuinely in the contracting business (solar?) but the overall picture here doesn't make sense to me.

Georgia is a crapshoot as to how the building department is. Parts of northern Florida, there is no such thing... google Palatka (kidding, kind of).

It is true though, Florida is as tight assed as a virgin in a brothel about engineering. Everything has to have an engineers stamp if its structural and in a v-zone (velocity zone) which I'm assuming he's not in (North central florida). The bottom line is uplift. It means everything in Florida.

OP, you need a lot of hardware and a stamp. While I'm with Barry a lot on the "get an engineer" garbage, you really do need one. I have a serious feeling (I haven't looked because I don't really care enough to) SIPS panels aren't designed for that kind of uplift on a secondary structure (150mph). Furthermore, the building itself needs a stamp, do it like the majority has said as in freestanding and I gave you details as to how the foundation should be built for southern GA/northern Fl. Have the draftsman draw it, take it to the engineer and all is well.

For you guys outside Florida it is normal for us to take plans from a draftsman unstamped to an engineer. If all is well and all he has to do is check the numbers he'll charge a minimal fee for his stamp. If thats what is happening I understand the asking of advice. However I get a strange suspicion we have a guy who sold this wonderful sips building and said "sure we can design that" and then realized "oops".

Careful... Mothers day is almost over.

Deckhead · May 10, 2015

John Hyatt said:
DIY kinda guy for sure. And he dodged the snake pit. so far.

J.

Wait till Darcy and Killer show up. The venom will be highly acidic (at who I don't know but this thread has fun written all over it)

Jimbo2015 · May 10, 2015

You're right about Fl, just finished the plans on an enclosed lanai with solar glass and shade overhangs, took 5 weeks of back and forth with the building dept asking for additional engineering because I was custom fabricating the window frames and overhangs they we're not familiar with. and this is not in the high wind zone.

Since there was no Fl product approval code the project rose a bunch of red flags, but I got the permit in the end.

The inspections coming up should be more interesting

Ga is another story the joke is you can submit a plan on napkin, no stamps needed at all, they will approve it. They want all plans in 1/8th scale, not sure how they make out the details.

SelectDecks · May 10, 2015

Jimbo2015 said:
U guys are a tough crowd :whistling

I've built several Sips homes just never had a request from an owner for this type of high level deck.

I thought it would be a simple question, that being the posts design from one level to the second.

Thought you pros could point me in the right direction, I can then go back to the guy drafting the plans with some ideas.

.

Just don't ask what killer thinks about Trex or talk bad about steel to Robert - you'll thank me later. The one and only thing I've ever seen on here that pretty much everyone agrees on is Fastenmaster makes good fasteners/products

EthanB · May 10, 2015

I wouldn't assume he's diy. I wouldn't know how to hang it from a SIP.

killerdecks · May 10, 2015

I'm going to start bidding solar jobs as long as you want to do deck work.:whistling

Than I'm going to the solar crowd and ask them for help:laughing:

Jimbo2015 · May 10, 2015

be careful you don't get shocked

John Hyatt · May 10, 2015

I can't see solar being a main livelihood but it must work for You Jimbo.

Besides building strange decks fastened to even stranger things, are you plugging houses into Tesla Batteries ?

May as well let the Man talk about something He knows .

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