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Sar-Con

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Has anyone here had success using a masonry guillotine to split unit pavers?

The you-tube vids I've seen make it look like a snap (no pun intended), yet I cant find any around to rent or buy. Are these things going the way of the dodo bird?
 
I dislike snappers very much.I worked with couple and regardless of how sharp or greased they are,its still effort and there is no guarantee for nice final product.

I find they do not leave you a straight edge,something that can be very important in precise installation.

Also, cuts, this precision build deathtrap, makes are never aesthetically nice.

Investing into buying one can be a big waste of money(in my opinion).

I just use wet-saw for all basic tile/paver/cultured stone installations

You can rent one(snapper) from HD for under 20$ a day
 
The guillotine splitter is still used globally where the real quality paver jobs are installed. They are even used on 20 acre installations for work around light and utility poles.

For unit interlocking pavers concrete pavers, the real paving contractors use several guillotine type pavers because they are handy, reduce labor and produce a good edge, especially if the edge restraint in in place. - No getting up, measuring and moving things around when the paver is going to be installed against the edge restraint with a sand required between the paver end and the restraint before vibration.

On larger free-form projects (parking, long curved driveways, etc.) many contractors lay the pavers, mark them and saw with a gas powered saw (freehand) and then set the edge restraint before sanding and vibrating.

Some paver patterns (spirals and herring bones) require saw cuts, especially if it is a cosmetic effect, even though the function does not require it.

You can easily rent guillotines for longer periods from a real paver installer, but because of the flexibility, it usually is cheaper to have one handy for other jobs.

The use on tile and cultured stone is a smaller and unique application and usually requires different techniques to do it right.
 
Thanks Gabe,

I figured they'd be next to nothing to rent, and possibly worth a try. But nobody's got them, so that must speak to they're popularity around here....
You are welcome.

Oh, they are definetly worth a shot if you are snapper type of guy.(you wont discover until u try)

But they are big waste if you are like me and after first stone you just going to hate it...I hated it quiet a bit so spending even 50$ for a tool that you can re-sell only for probably half,will become waste of money for you that could have ended up in your gas tank(for example).

I would suggest concrete saw,just like Dick said,or maybe even circular saw with Bosch diamond blade for dry cutting...works pretty well.
 
I have never used a guillotine for pavers, but I have used them quite a few times with split faced concrete brick. The guillotine is used to make a split faced edge for corners/openings. I almost never do any concrete paver work, but wouldn't the rough edge made by a guillotine be a bit ugly for most applications?
 
I almost never do any concrete paver work, but wouldn't the rough edge made by a guillotine be a bit ugly for most applications?
I have seen moblie guillotines used on rough stone on the jobsite...it makes short work of breaking stone down. I would think that the guillotine would be great for use on modular wall units that have a snap finish on them....not that I have done mod walls, they are blasphemy to a stonemason:laughing: I dont think you would get a clean cut with pavers...another vote for diamond cutting.

Here is a pretty cool link on splitting machines.

http://www.parkindustries.com/content/view/58/47/
 
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I think the writing's on the wall. I can't find one anywhere. Six rental outlets, 3 stone suppliers, I think I'd have better luck sifting through the scrap dealers yard.

Stone saw it is then.

Thanks for your replies, I'll post some pics when its done!
 
not so fast

I wouldn't give up on them so quickly!
The latest designed ones are nowhere near 50$, try anywhere between 800-2000$.
This is because they last almost forever, they snap stones easily and up to 12 inch thick block! They're more accurate now, and cut pretty cleanly.
I'm in the market to buying one, because even though a nice cut in interlock is good and feels nice installing, there's a very large amount of products now that are designed to have 4-5mm gaps between them anyway. This way, when you have a rough surface (that's hidden by the poly sand anyway) you're creating the space to make it look just like every other joint in the job. Not bad, right?

and all split faced concrete block jobs for walls almost NEED this.

Also very effective for the new growing trend called permeable paving. check it out.

Definitely worth it for me, but I'm still keeping my stihl cut off and mk diamond table saw.
 
I think the locations of the experts on paving installers regarding a "splitter" are all from minor markets of interlocking pavers.

In areas where interlocking concrete pavers are used for patios, sidewalks, driveways and streets are used traditionally, you never see a job without "guillotine" hand splitter. Much has to do with the skill to properly use or work with the edging.

Dick
 
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