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What does "pre-capped" mean?
When you have guys out in the field selling for you they can sometimes make a mistake. They are required to turn in a complete roof drawing with all proper measurements with each original contract. The sales manager will run the calcs, materials, labor, etc to get a pre-determined margin on the job. If the salesman has made a mistake in his/her figures, material counts, etc, we can catch it early. All jobs are 'capped' out at the end to figure final tallies, profits, commisions, etc so the initial cap is a pre-cap. I guess it's just a term we use to double check everything before it goes to production. It doesn't mean you will always catch something. Mostly just scrivner errors. If they flat missed a measurement you won't know that until the job is done. Then they eat it.
 
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I am using "Roof Estimator" for last 3 year and found it the best. I would also like to suggest you to go for it. I am sure it will do the best for you.
About how long would it take you to enter the data and complete an estimate with Roof Estimator, assuming the roof has parts that are 8/12 nas 12/12 about 40 square with valleys and hips?

With Contracker EZ it takes me about an half hour and when I'm done I'll have an exact list of materials.
 
Since you asked...

Being that Xactimate and similar programs are way over priced, not necessary and favored by the insurance industry (they underprice), I developed my own which I include free of charge with my insurance damage contracting certification progam.

On insurance repair work, primarily exterior (can be easily manipulated for interior as well), my program pays for everything and also correctly add's 100% O&P to the total price regardless of # of trades. Never been rejected by any insurance company and always made me top dollar.
 
Mel,

Go to roofingtalk.com and search for Roof Estimate Pro. I bought the program and love it. It's $99 out the door for multiuser download license. David Duschaine is a roofer just like us who had a software engineer put his wants, needs, and desires in a program. It makes a very nice proposal and the price cannot be beat. David has always responded very quickly to any questions I have had as well. He also offers some other sales and marketing packages (10 roof closes comes with the software) that I think you may really benefit from after reading some of your posts. The website is www.startaroofingbusiness.com . It's worth the look.
 
Mel,

Go to roofingtalk.com and search for Roof Estimate Pro. I bought the program and love it. It's $99 out the door for multiuser download license. David Duschaine is a roofer just like us who had a software engineer put his wants, needs, and desires in a program. It makes a very nice proposal and the price cannot be beat. David has always responded very quickly to any questions I have had as well. He also offers some other sales and marketing packages (10 roof closes comes with the software) that I think you may really benefit from after reading some of your posts. The website is www.startaroofingbusiness.com . It's worth the look.
The guy should be in jail. I thought he was banned here within a day?
 
Watch his videos on his site and youtube. See how easy it is to bid work and then just "get some subs to do it for you" "You'll be rich"
I could care less if his software measures the roof for me while I sit in the truck, I will never give $0.01 to one of these guys that do the sub-sub games... they are worse than the ones that hire illegals and think they should be hung....
 
I haven't watched his videos. Does he really outline a business plan like that or are you being fecitious? The software has a nice CRM that intrigued me. Based on your comments, I am assuming you still wear a nail bag? No crime in that. A lot of roofers started that way. However, the use of subcontractors does not diminish any business in the construction trade. How many GC's do you work for where your the sub? Should they have their own in-house roofers, electricians, plumbers? Dave is very quick to post on roofingtalk and couples most of his comments with an advertisement. On the other hand, the man found a way to create a new business based on his knowledge and experience in the business. I respect the entrepreneurial spirit. I haven't seen his start up kit, but if it does have some useful information that can limit or eliminate people that get in this business with no clue and no idea how to start or run a roofing company, then that can only help this industry.
 
Maybe it might be different in other parts of the country but the only way a roofing contractor can "sub" any part of a roofing job is to another licensed contractor with his own WC and GL... the guys down here set up a bunch of guys with there own Inc. papers for a handyman service to get them there WC exempt card (even though it's not legal) and call them "subs" them these subs fire there own guys and pay them cash or a check till they get caught... they get left holding the bag cause they don't have a clue and just signed the papers the contractor told them too...

It's as bad as hiring illegals... actually worse, they have a choice and still decide to cheat the system....
 
Legally, I'm not sure it's ok to advertise something that you 100% sub out. If you are a Contractor contracting many trades, fine.... but advertising as a roofer and subbing every job out isn't right IMO. There are only a handful here that I would personally trust them to work on my house, and that's because they actually do the work. Anyone can hire salesmen and push as many jobs as possible, then move to the next storm.

As for "start your own roofing business guy". Yes, that is exactly what he says in his videos on youtube. Just saying what I saw and heard.

It's kinda wierd how this is the roofing section and most of the talk here is numbers and how to sell to an unsuspecting homeowner.
 
Legally, I'm not sure it's ok to advertise something that you 100% sub out. If you are a Contractor contracting many trades, fine.... but advertising as a roofer and subbing every job out isn't right IMO. There are only a handful here that I would personally trust them to work on my house, and that's because they actually do the work. Anyone can hire salesmen and push as many jobs as possible, then move to the next storm.

As for "start your own roofing business guy". Yes, that is exactly what he says in his videos on youtube. Just saying what I saw and heard.

It's kinda wierd how this is the roofing section and most of the talk here is numbers and how to sell to an unsuspecting homeowner.
I agree. I'm new to the idea of "selling roofs" as I always worked with family and now for myself and the sort of unethical practices I hear about never occurred to me in my wildest dreams. My hometown has about 150 people and 2500 people in the entire county, we were never out of work though. Now I live in a town of 60,000 (don't know exactly) and for the first time I'm seeing outfits that contract work then sub it out having not the slightest clue how the work is done, how to properly bid the job or any of the like. They get people to sign a contract that says if you want to cancel it you have to pay 25% of the total job, and that they are not responsible for any damage to your home while you are waiting to get the work done. I totally understand not wanting to get sued for water infiltration while you are backed up with work, but one particular company has literally left people in a hailed out town for eight months with their roofs not done.

I knew they were that backed up and I figured I'd call to see if I could get one, I hate shingling, but work is work I guess. When they told me what they will pay per square I understand now. They want the subs to provide the materials and after that one would be lucky to eat a meal the next day, let alone make a living. I'm sure there is a way for the homeowners to get out of these contracts, I don't know, we always did business with a handshake and it worked well, never got screwed.

I'm new to the contracting game in bigger towns and cities. I'm just trying to watch my back as a sub to make sure I don't get screwed. I'm starting to hear stories about an outfit stringing you out for a few jobs, giving you the "we'll pay you when we get paid", and then skipping out. I don't know how you could start a business and then just disappear, but I guess if you are willing to move on a regular basis and don't feel invested in any particular community it is possible.
 
Ape:

There are several states that don't have the strict requirements as Florida. In Oklahoma, we finally got a 'registration' passed that is a start to licensure. It will at least allow potential clients an opportunity to simply go to the website to check out the contractor's credentials, where they are from, if they just set up shop in OK, and since our insurance certs have to have the CID named as an additionally insured they will also know if any contractor lets their GLI or WC lapse. Texas, however, is a breeding ground for lawlessness. It's like the old west out here. There are no regulations and no requirements. Workman's comp and GLI is the choice of the contractor. This is also the breeding ground of most illegal crews since we are usually the point of entry. Our latest census had the hispanic population growth over the last ten years at almost 3 million. Our state grew 20% and 70% of that growth was due to hispanics.
 
I feel for you Texans... I know of few that got "Run outta here" and then went to New Orleans until they burned there bridges there so off to Texas they went.... I am not a fan of big govt but I do believe that having the licensing in place and enforced is a good thing bot for the businessmen and the HOs....
 
Excel Spreadsheet

I've done the same and have and will openly share with anyone... except you.
Could you send me a copy of this? I have a small roofing company and i have a few guys that work with me, but i am the only one who does the paperwork. It add so much time on to an already overwhelming position. Any help would be really appreciated. :thumbsup:

Thank you.

Pete
 
I have spent fifteen years constantly mofifying my excel software and I have it integrated into everything from labor, materials, material order forms, lien release, warranty, certificate of completion, Final ljob cost, crew pay sheet and so on.

I also have it integrated with ACT for my contact management.

Are you spreadsheet savy?
 
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