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Old 08-14-2014, 09:21 PM   #1
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Who Gets To Keep The Copper?


Hi all,
I don't want my own views to skew the discussion so I'll try to keep this brief. I'm part of a small (<12) remodeling company. Our plumbing sub claims that the copper that gets cut out during demo st theirs to scrap.
What say you all?! Contractors and Plumbers!?
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I fired someone last week for taking copper, it goes in the trash. It's not worth my time, and I'm most definitely not paying someone to go put every price of scrap in there car.

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If it is in their contract to demo and dispose of unusable product then it belongs to them.

But in my opinion. If it's in the house, regardless of opinion, it belongs to the homeowner, or gc.
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I fired someone last week for taking copper, it goes in the trash. It's not worth my time, and I'm most definitely not paying someone to go put every price of scrap in there car.
uh… what?
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The General Contractor in charge of the job gets to determine that. Otherwise, it would make sense that whoever does the demo gets dibs.
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uh… what?
What I got from it was he was collecting and storing copper during working hours, while neglecting his paid duties.
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What I got from it was he was collecting and storing copper during working hours, while neglecting his paid duties.
I agree.
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uh… what?
It's not worth it. I did a whole house a few years ago that had 2 baths and 2 kitchens. All the drain lines were 2" copper along with pressure lines. I got $500 for it.


Now take that and figure the amount I paid guys to put it in the scrap pile, then load it in the truck, drive it 30 mins to the scrap yard. Drive back to the job. Pay for fuel, and the down time of 2 hours I could have made $600 doing what I do. I'm not a scrapper, I'm a contractor.

Then I get these assholes who think they can do all that on the time I'm renting them for, he'll no.


Then on top if that they have piles of scrap sitting in the h/o yard. Then I have to pay someone to move it, or throw it away.


I have a policy regarding demo material, and left over material. No employee is allowed to take it. It goes in the trash, and left over material goes back to the shop if it's worth it, or it goes in the trash.
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But usually we do demo, but if the plumber is changing stuff around he can have it if he wants. He is on his own time
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It seems a real grey area to me. The task has to be done. The material has to be removed and ideally be recycled. If the task of scraping it is done outside of salary time, and the gc is doing the rest of the demo (everything that delays framing).? Hmmmm
It seems again that it should be officially declared or in writing.
Should we poll?
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It's not worth it. I did a whole house a few years ago that had 2 baths and 2 kitchens. All the drain lines were 2" copper along with pressure lines. I got $500 for it. Now take that and figure the amount I paid guys to put it in the scrap pile, then load it in the truck, drive it 30 mins to the scrap yard. Drive back to the job. Pay for fuel, and the down time of 2 hours I could have made $600 doing what I do. I'm not a scrapper, I'm a contractor. Then I get these assholes who think they can do all that on the time I'm renting them for, he'll no. Then on top if that they have piles of scrap sitting in the h/o yard. Then I have to pay someone to move it, or throw it away. I have a policy regarding demo material, and left over material. No employee is allowed to take it. It goes in the trash, and left over material goes back to the shop if it's worth it, or it goes in the trash.

I slightly disagree.

Anything I've ever scrapped has been worth the work. It's not hard to get guys to separate certain products. I still have a metal, wood, plastic, and a garbage can for food and smoke packs.

If the builder decides to put it all in the same bin. That's his issue. It belongs to the guy that paid for it.


If anybody wants something that is otherwise going to be thrown out, all they have to do is ask.

And do it on their own time.

(One of my guys has heated his house for 30 years off of wood waste.)

Maybe your guy saw free income and got greedy.
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Who Gets To Keep The Copper?
Hi all,
I don't want my own views to skew the discussion so I'll try to keep this brief. I'm part of a small (<12) remodeling company. Our plumbing sub claims that the copper that gets cut out during demo st theirs to scrap.
What say you all?! Contractors and Plumbers!?
Thanks
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He who removes it (does the demo work) keeps it.
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I have a policy regarding demo material, and left over material. No employee is allowed to take it. It goes in the trash, and left over material goes back to the shop if it's worth it, or it goes in the trash.
I have the same rule.

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And do it on their own time.

(One of my guys has heated his house for 30 years off of wood waste.)

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If you're on my site, you're not on your own time. You're on my worker's comp insurance, my liability. Go dumpster diving on the weekends.
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It's silly to say that it takes too much time to separate. Instead of putting the copper and brass in the garbage we lay it to the side of the dumpster. One of my guys grabs it at the end of the day. No skin off my nose. Even if it costs me a few bucks, it makes this guy happy and it's hard to put a price on a happy worker.
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I have the same rule. If you're on my site, you're not on your own time. You're on my worker's comp insurance, my liability. Go dumpster diving on the weekends.
That's kind of a callous way of looking at it.
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That's kind of a callous way of looking at it.
Thats a businessmans way of looking at it.

My guys toss it in a pile. I collect and clean it up and put in a pile in the equipment lot next to my shop. I cash it in every now and again and have beer and burgers for everyone on a Friday.

Dont take long. I do a lot remodel work, it adds up
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Not to mention every time I go to the scrap yard I get a flat tire
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I keep all metals from jobs at shop . Save it up and cash in when prices are high twice a year . Half for workers and the rest going to my hunting / fishing items .

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