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Old 03-15-2009, 05:20 PM   #1
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Ok so now I have a question , I am not sure if this is the best place to post but I'll give it a shot...

I did a walk through for a city to sandblast city pools 6 of them total sq ft approx. 79,000 sq ft of surface to be blasted. 2 layers of pool paint average 6 mils thick total. the top coat is failing and flaking off and the bottom layer is like powder. A prevailing wage job ( $58.00 per hour for each blaster 2 of them and $38.00 per hour for the 2 assistants. I'll be using 20/43 black beauty with 1/4 inch nozzle opening. i'll have 2 blasters running. each using a 185 IR compressor.The stuff will blow off with just the wind lol. but I want to give a price per sq ft. it.

WHAT WOULD YOU CHARGE?

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Old 03-15-2009, 08:58 PM   #2
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You will have to add the labor you will pay out daily plus abrasive and materials,fuel and disposal of the spent abrasive to a landfill,a pretty tall figure oh yes you will need to make a profit too. I would think each blaster could blast 1200 sq ft full tilt if they are good per day.looks like it might cost you 1.50-2.00 per sq ft to do the job maybe more.I would charge 3-4 bucks a sq ft but be sure you will have enough manpower,equipment and wither all to complete the work before committing to do it.

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That sure is a high prevailing wage rate. I thought that the prevailing wage in CT was only around $32 with benifits. If your only going to get 1,200 sq ft a day per blaster then you had better look at bigger air and at least a 1/2 nozzle. I've blasted a whole lot of pools in my time and we could blast a pool out with about 2,500 sq ft but we were running a 375 cfm and a #8 nozzle. We used 20/40 black beauty and we would use about 2lb per sq ft. This was removing the pool coating off down to the marbilite plaster. With that type of a wage you had better go at least $5 per ft. if your just going to use a 185CFM air compressor per blaster and #5 nozzles. You will be there awhile.
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Old 03-15-2009, 11:42 PM   #4
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prevailing wage is $37.65 + $14.00 benefits per hour for blasters and $23.25 + $14.00 benefits per hour for unskilled labor. I figured 2 blasters and 2 unskilled labor per day. 8 hour days to avoid paying overtime. So figure $200 per hour for labor $1600.00 per day. plus $150 in fuel a day $1600 in sand a day. plus $300 misc. so $3650.00 per day. Average 1000 sq ft of blasting per blaster thats 2000 sq ft per day. The project is actually just over 50K sq ft after re calculating. That would be 25 days of blasting at $3650 per day for a total expense of $91,500.00.

now if I charge $2.55 sq ft thats $127,500 add $10,500 for pressure washing and another $5,000 for disposal thats $143,000.00

$143,000 - $91,500 + profit of $51,500 that seems reasonable.

Please comment I appreciate feedback and any suggestions or proving me worng lol.

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I'd also like to say I reallllyy would like to get this project. (o:
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Are you figuring in your matching payroll taxes, and insurance with those figures. At that payscale, that is a lot of payroll taxes to match. Just wanted to bring that one up for you incase you forgot to add it to the job. You know your expenses, you just have to figure in all expense and then figure your profit margin and then roll the dice and hope that all goes well. Contracting is always a gamble. I done it for a long time and I can say that I do not miss it at all.
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I did figure payroll taxes but not the additional liability insurance. Thankyou!!
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I just talked to the GC on the pool project. He is expecting to pay about $1.50 a sq ft. He also said his measurements come out to 46,000 sq ft of surface, that's 4,200 sq ft short of my measurements. How could a company come out for sucha low price? Any suggestions? How can I compete with that?

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This is where using a larger production unit comes into play. Using a 185CFM air compressor just does not have the production rates as a larger unit. Can you blast with a 185? Sure, but it's going to be slow. That is why I have always recommeded using a larger compressor and larger nozzles sized for the project and the air consumtion required. Years ago, when I was a contractor I was brought in for a emergency clean-up job where that two tar tanks had blown up from a accident and had covered the area with coal tar. There was another company that was setting up the same morning as us. They was using two 185's and two 600 pound balst pots and I was using a 825 and a six ton canned sand with two outlets. The other company started blasting about three hours before us, and by the time we started blasting and had been blasting for about a hour, we had already blasted more area than they had done. By day two, they were told to go ahead and pack up due to the area we were knocking out. We were both in there working on a T&M rate, so the customer felt that they were getting more bang for their buck. When production counts, you have to have equipment that can perform. I've been in the blasting and coating field for a long time. One thing about blasting pools, some of them goes quick and others can be a pain. I would not take the GC's Square Foot figure if it is that much difference in what I figured on my own. Measure it out on your own. That way you know what is really there. It's not going to bother him if he cheats you out of 10,000 sq. ft. All he wants is a job done cheap so he can get his part of the job done and get paid for what he bid. Watch out for yourself because nobody else will. If your going to try to get into more larger mobile jobs, then consider getting more air and size your hoses accordingly. If you would like to talk with me more on the subject, give me a call anytime. Would be glad to talk with you more.
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the only way to do it cheaper is to do more sq ft per operator per day-if the coating is brittle and powdery your crews might be able to do up to 6k ft per day -do a sample if you can. you will need to use 3/8 nozzels
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A 3/8" Blast Nozzle will require about 324CFM of air. That is including your blast hood. This is the minimum. With a 1/4" Blast Nozzle your minimum is 151CFM. If you go up in Nozzle size you need to up your air compressor to match. It is always better to have more air than you need.
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Thanks for the info!!! i will follow it to the letter. I'll also keep updating.

It's now close to midnight and I have been calulating and pondering. i decided to just go for it and bid it at $1.495 per sq ft 46000 sq ft. Believe me, i wouldn't do it if I didn't think I could profit. I've been talking to people and some state departments. I have found a way to minimize prevailing wage rates..not all just most...and it's legal! I also looked back at some past projects with similiar coatings to be removed and calculated, We did a strip mall with a similiar paint issue on the walls and we blasted an average of about 4000 sq ft in an 8 hour shift. using a 185 with a 1/4 nozzle. Following Benny's suggestion #7 nozzle with a 400 ish CFM comressor I am confident we could do close to that 6000 sq ft a day mark that wesschaff mentioned. We'll see..I AM UP FOR THE CHALLENGE.. if they pick us (o:

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Has anyone thought about caulk yet or the new drain rules
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Sorry Panderson, But Caulk????????????? I Guess I have racked my brain all day today and a little lost on this one. And as far as the new drain rules go, that will be for the GC on the job to take care of. Afastblast is only talking about removing the existing coating from the pools I think. I've been up to late I guess. Just seen this and the Caulk thing sorda got me.
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i think panderson drinks while on these forums...i really do.

as far as this job goes and everyone discussing it, this is what this forum is all about and i am learning a good bit keep it up and i hope you get the job...
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Hello all (o:

haven't heard back from them yet, but it's only been 87 hours and 19 minutes...WHAT'S TAKING THEM SO LONG?

I'll keep ya posted either way. I plan on doing a follow up call Monday.


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Every slab that is poured wether it is a drive way or pool has joints, that has to be caulked. I caulk my own joints in pools. The caulk gun cost about 120$ and the caulk Vulkem 116 plus activator is a certain price also. Last year I had the whole season wrapped already. Is there any one out there in my same place.. I am not filled for the season.
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I would also state that I have been blasting longer than most people. I started at age 15. I have built my company form the grit of my ass. I dont have to make sense to anyone. I have blasted **** tanks, water tanks, fertilizer tanks, cars, old chairs, lawn mowers, grain legs, tractors, rims, bed frames, frosted glass, stripped IBM main frames, I dont have to make my case to anyone I have done it. Benny Abbot is the guy, he has been there and done it. I have been behind a blast hose and spray gun for so long that I no longer give a **** about a guy with a 185, or is just starting out. Every problem or job that anyone thinks is new I have done. I post sometimes but to be honest IBSOCAL. got it right one time. I get on some times, I could post alot more but Why in the hell would I help you all when I am seen as an outcast. P.S. I am currently wondering how Im going to get through this next year without laying people off, how does new company get started. Than You, Paul Anderson
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I also have old equipment pics. on this site look up, perfecto or pics or new pics or Anderson Sandblasting pics.
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Easy now Panderson. All this guy is doing is bidding on the blasting on this job. Nothing else. The GC is doing the rest. So, I would be sure that the GC would be caulking the joints if there are any and then doing the coating application. I know where you are coming from man. I shut down my contracting buisness back in 98 and it was one of the worst pains to go thru. It had been a family buisness and I had had it for over six years on my own and had really built it up big. Then the work just went away. Struggled for about a year and a half and really got depressed about it and took a don't care anymore attitude toward the work and life. I had good employee's that I had loaned money, gave money to and treated real well to turn there backs on me when my hard times hit. Treated me like I had never done nothing for them. So I shut the doors, sold what I could and went to work for someone else. Regained my ambition a year later and I have not looked back. Your not a outcast here man. We need you . All it was, was there was never a mention that this guy was going to be doing the coating work. Just coating removal is all. A little mis-understanding. Now Smile and be Happy. Give me a call anytime. I know what your going thru, and believe me, your not the only one going thru this. One of the companies that I am working for now is looking at having to shut there doors in less than a month if there work does not pick-up. They are a great company too. Woman owned and she really has a heart. And she ain't bad looking either. Hopefully some of this money that the Goverment is putting out there will start hitting home soon. If not, it is only going to get worse. Remember, give me a call anytime.

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