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Old 06-20-2012, 10:32 PM   #1
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Waisted time: Walking around your blast room with a shovel, pouring five pounds at a time and shaking the screen untill it goes through and another shovel and waiting for it to go through... Next , some debris that makes it through the screen will clog and stop you and the fines that get through pack and slow you down. I just want to blast, get paid and blast the next project.

Waisted cash: While you are walking around shoveling up scraps, as if you are not worthy of new material, and thinking you will save money, you are running pressious diesel and creating extra ware on your compressor as well as electricity for, in my case two or three 500 watt lights and your exhaust fans.

Cross contamination: I do a fair amount of high end blasting, as I am certain many of you also do. For instance, I recently was asked to brush blast an aluminum stair case worth many thousands of dollars that was set to be sent across the country to their customer. The first thing they said to me was that it must not be blasted with any ferrus metal. I was able to assure them that, as I do not reclaim, I would not have bits of steel and god knows what else mixed in the pot which could cause rust to appear or stain the work with grease.

Inconsistancy: Again, on higher end work, You often need to have a very even finnish. Especially when, as in the case with the stairs, there will be no coating of any kind being applied. A mixture of old whatever was on your floor which is pulverised and inconsistant and then when you maybe add some new it is sharper and you get a very different apearance, simply wouldn't fly with my specialty customers that are more than willing to pay for the product they know they recieve from my process.

Pricing issues: I saw one fellow here mentioned reclaiming with regard to blasting a pool. Feel free to give it a shot but don't price it based on thinking you will shoot ten bags and keep reusig it. If you are having no luck on that day you may loose your but if you didn't price based on all new. Personally I don't want to spend one extra hour at a person's home shoveling and screening and getting lower production rates from the dulled media. Just throw another bag in and get back to it. I don't give a price and hope I can get something out of it by trying to save on media. I price by figuring what I want for the job and then add on for how much media I know I will use. I gaurantee my profit and if I over estimated by some I just make a few extra bucks or somtimes I discount it off their price.

Self respect: I believe what we do is invaluble and often the only way to get the results that we achieve. Scurrying around sweeping up spent media as if we have to apoligize for charging at all is belittleing. My goal when I blast is not to save the customer cash, it is to give them a terrific product with the least effort on my part. It costs money to blast well.

I am aware that many who read this do reclaim and may even swear by it. I don't mean to offend but this is how I see it.
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Old 06-20-2012, 10:37 PM   #2
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Old 06-20-2012, 10:45 PM   #3
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Thank you Pluto, very constructive.
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Thank you Pluto, very constructive.
My apologies.

The subject hit a nerve for me. I loaned my ex-BIL $30,000 for additional equipment for his body shop's blasting equipment in 1998. Drew up a loan agreement (with a lawyer - which pissed off the ex-inlaws at the time). He never made a payment but managed to get new cars and pickups over the next couple years. When I kicked his sister out, I knew I would never see the money. After the divorce was final, I filed a lien on his business property but it hasn't resulted in a dime.

What equipment did he buy? Supposedly, it was specialized equipment to salvage blast media and also allow him to comply with the EPA (or whatever agency it is that regulates you guys). Never saw it personally. Someone I know who used him for blast services said he never saw any new equipment there in the late 90's.

Still pisses me off after all this time. He was killed (at his shop) in 2007, probably by someone else he had screwed over. Yep, I was the first one they came to question. Good thing I was in Florida at the time. It was never solved.
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Old 06-21-2012, 03:49 PM   #5
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I could not agree more...why would one sacrafice quality over quantity? It never works in the long run....

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Waisted time: Walking around your blast room with a shovel, pouring five pounds at a time and shaking the screen untill it goes through and another shovel and waiting for it to go through... Next , some debris that makes it through the screen will clog and stop you and the fines that get through pack and slow you down. I just want to blast, get paid and blast the next project.

Waisted cash: While you are walking around shoveling up scraps, as if you are not worthy of new material, and thinking you will save money, you are running pressious diesel and creating extra ware on your compressor as well as electricity for, in my case two or three 500 watt lights and your exhaust fans.

Cross contamination: I do a fair amount of high end blasting, as I am certain many of you also do. For instance, I recently was asked to brush blast an aluminum stair case worth many thousands of dollars that was set to be sent across the country to their customer. The first thing they said to me was that it must not be blasted with any ferrus metal. I was able to assure them that, as I do not reclaim, I would not have bits of steel and god knows what else mixed in the pot which could cause rust to appear or stain the work with grease.

Inconsistancy: Again, on higher end work, You often need to have a very even finnish. Especially when, as in the case with the stairs, there will be no coating of any kind being applied. A mixture of old whatever was on your floor which is pulverised and inconsistant and then when you maybe add some new it is sharper and you get a very different apearance, simply wouldn't fly with my specialty customers that are more than willing to pay for the product they know they recieve from my process.

Pricing issues: I saw one fellow here mentioned reclaiming with regard to blasting a pool. Feel free to give it a shot but don't price it based on thinking you will shoot ten bags and keep reusig it. If you are having no luck on that day you may loose your but if you didn't price based on all new. Personally I don't want to spend one extra hour at a person's home shoveling and screening and getting lower production rates from the dulled media. Just throw another bag in and get back to it. I don't give a price and hope I can get something out of it by trying to save on media. I price by figuring what I want for the job and then add on for how much media I know I will use. I gaurantee my profit and if I over estimated by some I just make a few extra bucks or somtimes I discount it off their price.

Self respect: I believe what we do is invaluble and often the only way to get the results that we achieve. Scurrying around sweeping up spent media as if we have to apoligize for charging at all is belittleing. My goal when I blast is not to save the customer cash, it is to give them a terrific product with the least effort on my part. It costs money to blast well.

I am aware that many who read this do reclaim and may even swear by it. I don't mean to offend but this is how I see it.
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My apologies.

The subject hit a nerve for me. I loaned my ex-BIL $30,000 for additional equipment for his body shop's blasting equipment in 1998. Drew up a loan agreement (with a lawyer - which pissed off the ex-inlaws at the time). He never made a payment but managed to get new cars and pickups over the next couple years. When I kicked his sister out, I knew I would never see the money. After the divorce was final, I filed a lien on his business property but it hasn't resulted in a dime.

What equipment did he buy? Supposedly, it was specialized equipment to salvage blast media and also allow him to comply with the EPA (or whatever agency it is that regulates you guys). Never saw it personally. Someone I know who used him for blast services said he never saw any new equipment there in the late 90's.

Still pisses me off after all this time. He was killed (at his shop) in 2007, probably by someone else he had screwed over. Yep, I was the first one they came to question. Good thing I was in Florida at the time. It was never solved.
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I get asked by customers if I reuse the grit.... I just say do you want the crap I just took of the last job on yours. They get the point pretty quick

Mine is one use and then it goes in the trash

Cost more for me to pay my helper to clean 3 bags per hour than just using 3 new bags per hour
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If your going to re-use a recyclable abrasive then you NEED to use the CORRECT equipment to recycle it. You can't just shovel it off the floor and throw it through a screen and back into the pot. This is NOT how you do it!
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When you blow 300kg an hour reclaiming would be good.
But as stated above you need the correct gear to do it.
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Old 06-23-2012, 02:20 PM   #10
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tried with walnuts...once. threw out most of the reclaimed and the rest will go soon. never again. have never tried with any other media to reclaim. wast of time i think.
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Old 06-24-2012, 12:01 AM   #11
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Once ran out of media after under quoting a job it was a mustang in a guys garage. We ended up running the glass back though again. It worked at about half the speed plus constant plugging up I had to open the media valve way up to get it to stay clear. That was a bad day I forgot to shut the media valve and when I shut down it sucked a bunch of media into all the regulators. In the end I broke even the customer called me again I gave him higher quote never heard from him again.
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We reclaim on larger scale, steel grit and a massive vacuum, no shovels. It works for what we are doing, we do about 2800 sq ft per day between 4 blasters. Good times!

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